When will this shit end?

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[Matt42]

Sorry I’m really far behind but really wanted to join in on this.

I don’t exactly live in a progressive workplace and we’ve adopted a 60/40 model (60% in the office). It just makes complete sense to me and I’m quite excited to see it in action. I think having 2 days a week to work at home would really flourish out my working week and definitely make things easier in some regard.

We work with a lot of American clients - and it seems to be that major major US corporations / investment banks / law firms seem to be giving WFH a massive middle finger, with a lot asking for a 5 day working week. No remote working. No exceptions.
 

Quite crazy really. I do think the hybrid model is going to become a European / Australian / New Zealand thing, but it doesn’t seem to be the future for America.

[Toilet Duck]

6 hours ago, gigpusher said:

Thanks have you thought about doing these kind of explanations with animations and selling them to governments around the world to send out as public service announcements. I feel like there is a real lack of understanding around the vaccines and what they do which drives a lot of the increase in infections to begin with. So many people have already completely abandoned social distancing etc. 

😁 

My PhD students do all sorts of great whiteboard animations to explain their work, I’m generally in awe of them! We don’t sell them though, they just put them on YouTube and other places for free (cancer research though rather than immunology or virology). The situation over the last year and half has been incredibly complex and continually evolving. It’s a nightmare to communicate effectively (let alone manage!).

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sorry I’m really far behind but really wanted to join in on this.

I don’t exactly live in a progressive workplace and we’ve adopted a 60/40 model (60% in the office). It just makes complete sense to me and I’m quite excited to see it in action. I think having 2 days a week to work at home would really flourish out my working week and definitely make things easier in some regard.

We work with a lot of American clients - and it seems to be that major major US corporations / investment banks / law firms seem to be giving WFH a massive middle finger, with a lot asking for a 5 day working week. No remote working. No exceptions.
 

Quite crazy really. I do think the hybrid model is going to become a European / Australian / New Zealand thing, but it doesn’t seem to be the future for America.

I work for a us company and they are doing 50/50 over there. My brother works in us and is still working from home since last spring.

Edited July 5, 2021 by steviewevie

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

 

What a fucking cretin of a man

Your epitaph, Barry?

[Matt42]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I work for a us company and they are doing 50/50 over there. My brother worse in us and is still working from home since last spring.

Tech companies and quite relaxed companies yes. But high intense corporate jobs are trying to stop WFH.

(Unless your working with one of these and there’s an outlier).

Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, and most US law firms in the states are pretty much enforcing a return to the office.

Yes this is the whole American workforce but they are some big players.

[Guest]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Tech companies and quite relaxed companies yes. But high intense corporate jobs are trying to stop WFH.

(Unless your working with one of these and there’s an outlier).

Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, and most US law firms in the states are pretty much enforcing a return to the office.

Yes this is the whole American workforce but they are some big players.

The CEO of Goldman Sachs called WFH an 'aberration', which is a bit extreme.

[MrBarry465]

Personally, still think it's fucking reckless when 50% of the population are not fully vaccinated. This proper opening could have been pushed back to August once we had everyone done - but hey ho I guess.

Almost pre empting down votes from certain ividduals to this post.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[st dan]

2 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Personally, still think it's fucking reckless when 50% of the population are not fully vaccinated. This proper opening could have been pushed back to August once we had everyone done - but hey ho I guess.

Almost pre empting down votes from certain ividduals to this post.

But the 50% who aren’t fully vaccinated either a) don’t want to be vaccinated at all or b) are in the younger and less vulnerable categories and therefore very unlikely to end up in hospital. That why making the way though the JCVI list was so crucial, meaning the tail was always going to be the younger ones. 

[jannybruck]

One thing I've not really seen talked about is the impact this is going to have on travel, because I think lots of people will assume this is just going to be fine and they'll be able to jet off wherever this summer. Are EU and International countries going to want us anywhere near them when we're serving up a cool 100k cases a day? Regardless of vaccination status, that's going to give at least a few of them cold feet.

[tigger123]

5 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Personally, still think it's fucking reckless when 50% of the population are not fully vaccinated. This proper opening could have been pushed back to August once we had everyone done - but hey ho I guess.

Almost pre empting down votes from certain ividduals to this post.

We won’t have everyone done in August, Boris said today it would be mid September until everyone had been offered a second dose hence why they’re doing it now rather than the month where the weather starts to turn

[MrBarry465]

1 minute ago, jannybruck said:

One thing I've not really seen talked about is the impact this is going to have on travel, because I think lots of people will assume this is just going to be fine and they'll be able to jet off wherever this summer. Are EU and International countries going to want us anywhere near them when we're serving up a cool 100k cases a day? Regardless of vaccination status, that's going to give at least a few of them cold feet.

I don't think so no, if our cases go rampant (which they will) I expect that we will be on a red list for most countries, double jab or not. 

Quite a few of the ratlickers gonna be in for a surprise. 

[efcfanwirral]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Put those two threads together and you can see your future in Manchester it seems...

[tigger123]

2 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

I don't think so no, if our cases go rampant (which they will) I expect that we will be on a red list for most countries, double jab or not. 

Quite a few of the ratlickers gonna be in for a surprise. 

Tbh I fully expect the EU to stop travel as much as they can for a while, as cases will become rampant here as you say, especially given the want by some in the EU (Macron) to be seen to be being strict with the UK following Brexit. However eventually some countries that rely heavily on tourism will buck the trend (Greece, Spain spring to mind) so I imagine they will open up after an initial attempt at a hardline unified approach by all EU member states driven by Merkel and Macron 

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, tigger123 said:

Tbh I fully expect the EU to stop travel as much as they can for a while, as cases will become rampant here as you say, especially given the want by some in the EU (Macron) to be seen to be being strict with the UK following Brexit. However eventually some countries that rely heavily on tourism will buck the trend (Greece, Spain spring to mind) so I imagine they will open up after an initial attempt at a hardline unified approach by all EU member states driven by Merkel and Macron 

They can always require tests - doesn't have to be as open as w'ed like it (vaccine proof) but they could be taking a pretty big risk by doing so 

Edited July 5, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Matt42]

21 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The CEO of Goldman Sachs called WFH an 'aberration', which is a bit extreme.

I just think it’s so bizarre to outright reject it and be kinda aggressive about it. It just stinks of insecure management that refuse to trust their employees or treat them like adults.

I’ve worked in environments that could be seen as toxic, and this is always the case. Irrational fears that your employees can’t be trusted without your supervision, to be point where the boss won’t even take a holiday.

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

Put those two threads together and you can see your future in Manchester it seems...

not just manchester .... the way cases are going ... doubling every 9 days ...... even if the hospitalisations are low,  huge case numbers has massive implications for businesses with staffing levels and high levels of virus doesnt exactly encourage everyone back out in floods .... Europe still seems to be doing well on the case front doesnt it ? 

[MrBarry465]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I just think it’s so bizarre to outright reject it and be kinda aggressive about it. It just stinks of insecure management that refuse to trust their employees or treat them like adults.

I’ve worked in environments that could be seen as toxic, and this is always the case. Irrational fears that your employees can’t be trusted without your supervision, to be point where the boss won’t even take a holiday.

Yeah agreed, the good news is most progressive companys allowing people to make their own minds up on what they do RE WFH.

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, MrBarry465 said:

Yeah agreed, the good news is most progressive companys allowing people to make their own minds up on what they do RE WFH.

The lack of trust is often completely invalid too. I’ve seen colleagues produce absolutely fantastic work, yet the boss hasn’t got a single positive thing to say about them.

Very glad I’m in a much better working environment.

[HalfAnIdiot]

30 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Tech companies and quite relaxed companies yes. But high intense corporate jobs are trying to stop WFH.

(Unless your working with one of these and there’s an outlier).

Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, and most US law firms in the states are pretty much enforcing a return to the office.

Yes this is the whole American workforce but they are some big players.

I get the impression that those companies work on a culture of intense personal competition. The theory being that the 'best' will rise to the top in a dog eat dog environment. That kind of environment probably requires full time (and more) office attendance to develop. 

Their view of 'best' doesn't match mine and that kind of environment is toxic beyond just the office walls. 

[Matt42]

Just now, HalfAnIdiot said:

I get the impression that those companies work on a culture of intense personal competition. The theory being that the 'best' will rise to the top in a dog eat dog environment. That kind of environment probably requires full time (and more) office attendance to develop. 

Their view of 'best' doesn't match mine and that kind of environment is toxic beyond just the office walls. 

Look I work in an industry probably worse for that and it’s true - but I think the truth is that when you’re junior you get this shit handed to you, but once you get experience and start being able to stand on your own two feet you get treated better. 
 

to me it’s an ego trip for senior staff to berate the young. I’m finding though that the new generation of managers are not like this, and hopefully these people will wane out or get slammed by a whistleblower / HR.

They still exist in their thousands in America though.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Personally, still think it's fucking reckless when 50% of the population are not fully vaccinated. This proper opening could have been pushed back to August once we had everyone done - but hey ho I guess.

Almost pre empting down votes from certain ividduals to this post.

It worries me we are opening up fully with only 60 odd % of people fully vaccinated. I don't know why Johnson framed it as 'now or not at all this year' when if we wait just a bit more we'll have pretty much every adult fully vaccinated and as the vaccines are so good that will mean any risk to hospitals and severe illness is so much lower. So whilst it would be Autumn we would have a fully vaccinated population to combat that and enable us to properly open up at that stage.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It worries me we are opening up fully with only 60 odd % of people fully vaccinated. I don't know why Johnson framed it as 'now or not at all this year' when if we wait just a bit more we'll have pretty much every adult fully vaccinated and as the vaccines are so good that will mean any risk to hospitals and severe illness is so much lower. So whilst it would be Autumn we would have a fully vaccinated population to combat that and enable us to properly open up at that stage.

Because the pressures on the hospital I'm autumn would be more so the NHS would be at risk

Now, even if hospitalisations go up, it'd be manageable.