When will this shit end?

[funkychick2007]

13 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

so bloody hard , Most of us go into work with some idea what we might be  doing on a daily basis , the flexibility of teachers and that profession is absolutely incredible ....

Ive run out of upvotes!! Agree and fir all those frontline and  essential workers no one really  knows what they are walking into each day anymore!! 
 

[Crazyfool01]

Local primary ... 

 

Edited January 3, 2021 by crazyfool1

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Yep...I’ve been in favour of keeping schools open up to now as the data supported it (cases in kids go down not up when the schools are open)...wasn’t in favour of opening for a few short weeks in June as we didn’t have the data and it wasn’t worth the risk, however, after that, they weren’t the major driver of infections...but (and it’s a big but), once you lose control of community transmission, all subtlety goes out the window and stopping mixing of any sort is the only way back. Add to that the uncertainty about the new strain and I think the sensible option is to keep them closed til cases are under control again.  

For me that is the key difference though - until cases are under control. Not until it's 'safe' - which is the unions arguement as they are wanting to use section 44.

[El Matador]

29 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

You will still hear people going on about Sweden without even looking at the numbers.

They've had considerably less deaths per head of population than the UK and their numbers have been on a downward trend for weeks. 

There's obviously a number of variables involved, but I don't think we're in a position to say that Sweden have failed. 

[Chapple12345]

15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

 

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/education/norfolk-schools-not-opening-6880134

Multiple schools in Norfolk aren't opening 

[dingbat2]

Despite Andrew Marr's terrible interviewing this morning, I wonder if today saw a turning point around the politics of Covid, thanks to Boris's own ineptitude. He mentioned (inadvertently or not) two key things today. Schools are safe, and he thinks tighter measures might be needed soon. I think those statements are contradictory, and I can't see how easily he can talk his way out of then when he has to tighten restrictions and/or close schools. One of his statements has to be wrong and whatever he choses to do will conflict with the other statement he made. Idiot

Edited January 3, 2021 by dingbat2

[squirrelarmy]

My mates school is having an additional training day and teachers are going in to discuss what to do. 

[dingbat2]

11 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/education/norfolk-schools-not-opening-6880134

Multiple schools in Norfolk aren't opening 

Yes, my wife's school in Norfolk just announced it wasn't opening, there are just too many cases amongst staff let alone the kids, and there is nothing in place to protect the kids and their families, and the teachers. They need to give it a week and see how cases develop, I can see cases being nearer 700-1000 per 100,000 in a week or two here. We all seem to know peole who have it here where we didn't a couple of weeks ago. The virus doesn't need a helping hand now

Edited January 3, 2021 by dingbat2

[efcfanwirral]

4 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

Despite Andrew Marr's terrible interviewing this morning, I wonder if today saw a turning point around the politics of Covid, thanks to Boris's own ineptitude. He mentioned (inadvertently or not) two key things today. Schools are safe, and he thinks tighter measures might be needed soon. I think those statements are contradictory, and I can't see how easily he can talk his way out of then when he has to tighten restrictions and/or close schools. One of his statements has to be wrong and whatever he choses to do will conflict with the other statement he made. Idiot

He means safe for children. As in they wont die, which is probably true. 

I'm still convinced they want as many infected as possible as an insurance against the vaccines not working (with the assumption past real infection would help in some way, even if just stopping it being too bad) 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

Despite Andrew Marr's terrible interviewing this morning, I wonder if today saw a turning point around the politics of Covid, thanks to Boris's own ineptitude. He mentioned (inadvertently or not) two key things today. Schools are safe, and he thinks tighter measures might be needed soon. I think those statements are contradictory, and I can't see how easily he can talk his way out of then when he has to tighten restrictions and/or close schools. One of his statements has to be wrong and whatever he choses to do will conflict with the other statement he made. Idiot

he'll just say alas, we have to close schools.

[dingbat2]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

He means safe for children. As in they wont die, which is probably true. 

I'm still convinced they want as many infected as possible as an insurance against the vaccines not working (with the assumption past real infection would help in some way, even if just stopping it being too bad) 

Its not about the safety of the children though, the vast majority of children won't suffer too badly with the virus. Its about how those kids spread the virus to other kids, who then pass it onto their parents, families and teachers who will be at far more risk than the kids themselves

[Chapple12345]

3 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

Yes, my wife's school in Norfolk just announced it wasn't opening, there are just too many cases amongst staff let alone the kids, and there is nothing in place to protect the kids and their families, and the teachers. They need to give it a week and see how cases develop, I can see cases being nearer 700-1000 per 100,000 in a week or two here. We all seem to know peole who have it here where we didn't a couple of weeks ago. The virus doesn't need a helping hand now

We've known several people who've had it within the last 2 months and its been strange because for a long time it felt rather shielded round this way, I do think part of it could be second home owners from London/surrounding areas coming before they had tier 4 there - my community is just north of Norwich and we have lots of elderly people who live locally too so it isnt worth the risk 

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, El Matador said:

They've had considerably less deaths per head of population than the UK and their numbers have been on a downward trend for weeks. 

There's obviously a number of variables involved, but I don't think we're in a position to say that Sweden have failed. 

they've done a lot worse than their neighbours, and in the autumn their health care was close to being overwhelmed and they've needed to change tack and have more restrictions plus ask people to wear masks etc

[steviewevie]

 

[guypjfreak]

I reckon they'll go out on unofficial strike... 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, guypjfreak said:

I reckon they'll go out on unofficial strike... 

looks like loads of them just won't open.

[Crazyfool01]

 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

Its not about the safety of the children though, the vast majority of children won't suffer too badly with the virus. Its about how those kids spread the virus to other kids, who then pass it onto their parents, families and teachers who will be at far more risk than the kids themselves

Who are all these other people the kids spread it too though? Kids could pass it onto their parents (like they could thigh the pandemic) but other than that the kids, not the parents should be coming into close proximity with anyone else because we are all subject to more stringent restrictions that the actual children themselves - or am I missing something?

Adnan aside, my kids new school routine. 

Start school earlier 08:30.

He stands in a box on his own while waiting to go into school. His class goes into school, and the other class in his year group (different line) goes into school. 

He sits at a desk with one other child. This child changes every 2 weeks so they get to see other children. They sit with the windows open. They aren't allowed to use the library. They aren't allowed to use the computer room. At dinner time they go year group at a time and sit at tables with child miss a chair, etc.. the other side of the table it's miss a chair child - the one time there was an incident in the same year group they had to eat in the classroom while the dining room had a deep clean. 

Finish school early 14:50.

There are no after school or lunch time clubs. There is no wrap around care because this cant be done in bubbles. Its not like some sort of free for all - frankly it's shit for the kids too. 

[steviewevie]

A Christina Pagel thread to cheer you all up...

 

[Billy Corgan's Ego]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

A Christina Pagel thread to cheer you all up...

 

Shouldn't have read this before bed

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

A Christina Pagel thread to cheer you all up...

 

This one is horrible

 

I think a sign that Christmas has already started to filter through to the figures. They had the warnings about Christmas, this is all on them.

[steviewevie]

 

[Copperface]

Relevant to the teacher debate. Nothing happening quickly it would seem. Plus Stevens now predicting mid to late June before Phase one has been vaccinated. What he does not expand on is whether that figure includes both doses, or a single dose. Based on two doses that is 2m per week, but based on one dose, that is the current NHS target figure of one million per week. Bit of fudging going on.

 

"Key workers and those in customer-facing jobs may be next in line for Covid-19 vaccination once the 25 million most vulnerable Britons have been inoculated, a senior government adviser suggested on Wednesday.

Speaking for the first time about “phase two” of the vaccine roll-out - which comes after all those aged 50 and over have received their jab - Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation’s Covid working group, said the type of job people do would help determine their place in the vaccine pecking order.

He said that teachers and health care workers would be a clear priority but that others would be considered too.

“Phase two of the programme will take into account the range of other professions and key workers who would benefit from vaccination, and protection, particularly if they can't avoid travelling to work for instance, or they might be exposed at work," he said. 

The phase two priority list had yet to be completed, added Prof Lim, but it would be given to ministers in the next few weeks.

The phase one priority list is driven largely by clinical risk - age and pre-existing conditions - with the oldest and most frail going first. Exceptions include care home workers and front line NHS staff who are also receiving the vaccine early.

This group is estimated to include about 25 million people and, according to Sir Simon Stevens, chief executive of NHS England, the entire cohort should be vaccinated by “late spring”, meaning mid to late June."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/key-workers-set-top-list-phase-two-vaccine-roll/

[Leyrulion]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

A Christina Pagel thread to cheer you all up...

 

We're going to be calling for help from Europe/Ireland aren't we. 

How much bed capacity is left in London?

[efcfanwirral]

5 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Relevant to the teacher debate. Nothing happening quickly it would seem. Plus Stevens now predicting mid to late June before Phase one has been vaccinated. What he does not expand on is whether that figure includes both doses, or a single dose. Based on two doses that is 2m per week, but based on one dose, that is the current NHS target figure of one million per week. Bit of fudging going on.

 

"Key workers and those in customer-facing jobs may be next in line for Covid-19 vaccination once the 25 million most vulnerable Britons have been inoculated, a senior government adviser suggested on Wednesday.

Speaking for the first time about “phase two” of the vaccine roll-out - which comes after all those aged 50 and over have received their jab - Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation’s Covid working group, said the type of job people do would help determine their place in the vaccine pecking order.

He said that teachers and health care workers would be a clear priority but that others would be considered too.

“Phase two of the programme will take into account the range of other professions and key workers who would benefit from vaccination, and protection, particularly if they can't avoid travelling to work for instance, or they might be exposed at work," he said. 

The phase two priority list had yet to be completed, added Prof Lim, but it would be given to ministers in the next few weeks.

The phase one priority list is driven largely by clinical risk - age and pre-existing conditions - with the oldest and most frail going first. Exceptions include care home workers and front line NHS staff who are also receiving the vaccine early.

This group is estimated to include about 25 million people and, according to Sir Simon Stevens, chief executive of NHS England, the entire cohort should be vaccinated by “late spring”, meaning mid to late June."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/key-workers-set-top-list-phase-two-vaccine-roll/

Essentially- the rest of us who don't have important jobs are locked down for 2021. That's not supposed to sound bitter, its exactly what I expected, but nice to get some honesty from someone