Gnomicide Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 Camplight have been asked to move, not just out of Pennards but off site completely. I think a few off here have used them, seemed a decent idea. I think not being on site takes away the whole purpose of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 It did puzzle me a little how one year they just appeared from nowhere in a bit of prime real estate at the top of Pennards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 Yeah, I'm with @Gnomicide on this, seems a strange decision, they fit closely into the festivals ethos, I guess the only thing is the fear it could compete with Worthy View, in that's a better location and significantly cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divein Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 I don’t understand it, I can see it if they want to move it out of pennards, but off site completely? So strange, why not move them to one of the outer camping fields. But as Mardy says, maybe they’re trying to remove the competition for Worthy View. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted September 29, 2018 Report Share Posted September 29, 2018 Worthy View more or less has a monopoly anyway, and it's not that struggles to fill up either. Could it be to do with doing it for charity vs. doing it for profit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 I can’t remember if they were there last year but previously the Young Greens had a few festival-endorsed bases in Pennards which were designed to try and encourage community and camping responsibility among the people camped around them. It actually worked really well. I camped with them in 2015 and looked out for them in 2017 but didn’t see anyone. I suspect that’s what the festival would be going for rather than giving up a fairly extensive piece of land so a company can come along and make some money out of it. I’ve often thought Camplight sails close to the kind of profit creep that many of us would rather not see, even though their profit uses the festival ethos to make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 "In 2017 Camplight were asked to move from Pennard Hill but we fought to keep our location, as Pennard Hill is the best place for Camplight to grow in to a real event changing organization." If it really was all about the ethos then I'm not sure why being on Pennards was so key. Maybe if they'd played ball they wouldn't have put someone's nose out of joint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdusty surfer Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 I know that ME once said that one day he'slike to see all tents pre erected. Could be that GFL will have their own option there next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkic Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 Surely that would never happen. Would be a logistical nightmare trying to pre-erect 100k tents. Nice idea in terms of reducing waste, but practically impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdusty surfer Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, nikkic said: Surely that would never happen. Would be a logistical nightmare trying to pre-erect 100k tents. If GLF decided to do it they would. Logistically it is doable. My children have both worked erecting WV tents for years, it is amazing how fast they go up. GFL are the masters of achieving the impossible and there would be plenty of folk that would be willing to do the job. Paid work before and after the festival with 3 meals a day and the Monday to Monday of the festivaloff with a free ticket and a great place to camp with tent, caravan etc. It is actually one of the more sought after crew jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakifrank Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 I think they were a local group who had contacts with the family and set up Camplight at Glastonbury a few years ago, got a foot in the door with other festivals and the idea and business has grown. It's great that Glastonbury festivals has helped a fledgling business based on sound principles and doesn't seem right to put them outside the perimeter fence now ,but as others have suggested maybe one of the outer camping area as a compromise . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) If the spot goes to slick WV style pre-erected camping rather than a Camplite style Raggy Dollesque ensemble or standard camping, then I will be very sad and disappointed. Edited September 30, 2018 by stuartbert two hats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakifrank Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 Hopefully it will just go back to standard camping for the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 If they're offsite they'll have to provide facilities, and ultimately compete on the same terms as the likes of Tangerine Fields. Otherwise why would anyone book with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 I can't see the point of this being offsite ... the benefit for people is the location and the fact that the tents are already set up ... just increase the size of worthy view if thats going to be the case and return the field to the rest of the punters .... perhaps they can introduce some kind of green scheme similar to worthy warriors for certain areas , but the idea of having a campsite that is right i n the middle and cleaned up easily is loads better and sets an example to others ... Ive not actually taken a look at it before ... but does the same amount of general camping stuff get abandoned at the end ? or is it totally clean apart from the hired tents ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdusty surfer Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said: I can't see the point of this being offsite ... Ive not actually taken a look at it before ... but does the same amount of general camping stuff get abandoned at the end ? or is it totally clean apart from the hired tents ? Can'tsee it working offsite and the rent for fields adjacent to the festival is crazy. CL area always looks tidier than the rest of the surrounding camping areas. Don't know if that is down to the punters of the CL stewards/crew making sure that they make a good impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithy Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 The problem with Camplight is that it feeds into the excuse for people to not take their tent home as 'they get donated to charity'. Which is exactly what Camplight do as they say on their website - "We do this by picking abandoned tents up before they end up going to landfill" It's difficult to get a message out to take your tent home when there's a company on site doing exactly what the lazy gits who leave tents behind say will happen. Like it or not, there IS a company/charity who will recycle your tent if you leave it behind. I know it's not quite as black and white as that but it's difficult to get a consistent across 'take your tent home' message when people will just point at Camplight and say 'leaving it for charity'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madyaker Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) So they were asked to move out of pennards, refused, and are now being hucked off site altogether? They should have moved. Loads of space in bushy ground for them. Edited September 30, 2018 by Madyaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incident Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Madyaker said: So they were asked to move out of pennards, refused, and are now being hucked off site altogether? They should have moved. Loads of space in bushy ground for them. Yep - I remember at the time they started, it was always a bit of a sore point that they'd been allowed to take and resell some of the most popular public camping space - especially as it wasn't long after Dragon had been closed and Pennards carved up to provide crew camping areas and Tipis. The argument that they need to be in Pennards because they want to educate and that's where the worst waste is doesn't make sense - surely if that was the case we'd be seeing an impact by now. At just about every other festival they operate at (that I've seen anyway), CampLight are out towards the fringes, no reason Glastonbury should be any different. Let them have some of the space people aren't rushing for. Edited September 30, 2018 by incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostdancer1 Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 11:08 AM, Mardy said: Yeah, I'm with @Gnomicide on this, seems a strange decision, they fit closely into the festivals ethos, I guess the only thing is the fear it could compete with Worthy View, in that's a better location and significantly cheaper. I doubt it. they're not really anything alike, and WV sells out every year. If anything, it would be because GFL wanted to expand the Tipi Village, but that's unlikely too as there's a big hedge between it and Pennards IIRC? they'll probably just leave it as unreserved general camping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDaze Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 Apologies but I am a caravan only nincompoop and have not heard of Camplight before... i have been suggesting (to myself mostly) for some years that the natural progression of WV is to set up a version in one of the existing on-site camping areas... If you could get into Camplight why the feck would you want to go to WV.? (Ok, parking and facilities maybe) how could you get into Camplight btw.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 Not bothered about this myself personally as I was always unhappy about public camping space being crept into by private camping organisations. Sticking them outside with the rest levels the playing field (as well as freeing up some much needed space in Pennards). Its probably easier to do this now if Eavis has a proper contract in place with the surrounding landowners and so can guarantee them an area to set up in without worrying so much about unexpected cost being sprung upon him. On 9/30/2018 at 4:02 AM, kalifire said: I can’t remember if they were there last year but previously the Young Greens had a few festival-endorsed bases in Pennards which were designed to try and encourage community and camping responsibility among the people camped around them. It actually worked really well. I camped with them in 2015 and looked out for them in 2017 but didn’t see anyone. Young Greens were there last year - I was camped on the periphery of one of their open circle areas. Not quite so well structured as previous years I think, but there were as many spaces as before. Although tent abandonment is a real issue for Glastonbury and all festivals that have such camping, turning the site into something resembling a structured refugee camp would ruin it for me. One of the highlights is all the individual areas and tent themes that get created around the campsites. Lobbying camping stores to stop advertising tents as 'festival tents' and implying one time only use would help along with better PR coverage with the message that they don't all get packed up and sent off to charity / relief operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmagsy83 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 Glad to hear this, as someone who camps overnight on the Tuesday to get a good spot on pennards hill it is a bit annoying to see prime spots taken up already. They should base themselves behind or to the side of the Pyramid stage, always has come across as more laddish and I'd assume there is more wastage there. 'Oh but we must have the best spots in the most popular camping area for the concept to work' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunk pumpkin Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 I like the idea of Camp Light. Over the Glastonbury's i've been to I've used every conceivable type of option from camping on site to 'glamping' to caravan and WV. Camplight is a great alternative and did really encourage those using it to travel light and leave no waste. (from what i saw in 2017) I do however accept that it doesn't need to be on Pennards and i'd happily use it if it was set up by the fence. That way it can keep most people happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, oldmagsy83 said: 'Oh but we must have the best spots in the most popular camping area for the concept to work' Their Facebook seems to indicate they're now willing to be moved elsewhere as long as it's within the site. They may well have f*cked it for themselves after refusing to budge last year, though. That, and their pretty desperate statement begging to stay, is a bit cringe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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