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18 hours ago, Talcroft said:

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I've gone on about this before on here so I won't rant at length, but I think it's more nuanced than that.. For a long time in the UK, festivals were a haven for alternative communities and when they go "mainstream" I think some of those communities feel threatened - their safe space is being taken away. 

Chappelle Roan is the obvious exception to this identity wise, but the music remains mainstream pop. 

I'm not gonna debate this any more because it's not something I have a clear feeling on - I get mad that the people who bullied me for being alternative now hang out at the same festivals, but equally I'm glad the things I love get a world stage and are accessible to all, rather than falling by the wayside. 

 

(And obviously I haven't even mentioned the faux community construct of modern capitalism anyway, like certain major festivals or artists actually ever cared about identity over profits.) 

 Agree with @Mardybelow. Great post. One of the big things that stood out for me from my first Glastonbury ('95) was a whole, "It's a gathering of the tribes", vibe. Like a pow wow from an old western movie. Despite our various affiliations we're all camped next to each other for this weekend, letting each other be, having fun and not fighting. 

13 hours ago, Mardy said:

 

 

Excellent post.

 

It's something I really struggle with. This was my big problem with Guns & Roses when they were booked. The kind of people who were listening to G&R in the late 80s/early 90s absolutely despised those of us who were going to Glastonbury. That band for me personified the kind of mulleted prick in the only rock pub in town who would threaten to glass you if you put anything on the jukebox that wasn't straight ahead meat and potatoes rock and sneered at you for being stinking f**king hippies or whatever.The lads who thought the coppers did 'a f**king good job' at the Battle of the Beanfield.

 

I can't really forgive and forget and the idea that there's now tens of thousands of people in the Pyramid field watching them as a headliner makes me intensely uncomfortable. We were the f**king enemy, we were bullied in the workplace and threatened with a glassing by people wearing G&R T-shirts, and now that band is on a Glastonbury T-shirt? Man, I just don't know.

 

8 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

 

I'm hurt.

 

As someone who was very much listening to GnR in the late 80s, early 90s (plus 00s, 10s and 20s come to think of it), we were also going to festivals, just different ones.

 

We may not have been going to Glastonbury but very much saw people who did as comrades is arms. It was the people who spent Saturday night in Cinderella's who were the enemy.

 

Maybe it was different where you lived, or you just went to the wrong pubs.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mardy said:

 

G-man, you know I love you, and a red wine fuelled chat with you is one of the highlights of any trip to the farm.

 

I can only speak about small towns, maybe it's different in big cities, but there was an absolute tribalism here, and it really was always arseholes in G&R shirts who gave the weirdos/outsiders grief.

I'm with @Gnomicidehere. I introduced so many people to GnR 'round our way (and well before Jonathan King broke them nationally (the f**king nonce)).

 

Us rock fans were very much the bullied rather than the bullies iirc and we had quite a cross over with the older hippies when I was a teen/young lad. Seem to recall we were both wary of a certain type of skinhead (and I still am tbh). I can only speak from my small town experience of course.

 

So glad things are less tribal these days (despite certain powers that be trying to persuade us that our neighbours are the issue).

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21 hours ago, northernangel said:

 

I stood right side of the Pyramid for Shania and as soon as she went I didn't hang about. Strange thing was...NBT was on and I went back to my tent for 10 minutes or so first to fill up on drinks then headed down. 

 

My positions for both acts:

 

 

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We did the same - ran between the two. We were about in line with you in front of the screen on the left as you look at the stage for Avril

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20 hours ago, 4AssedMonkey said:

 

I get this and expected Sugababes to be mad busy, but I was genuinely - am still genuinely - baffled by the size of the crowd for Avril Lavigne.  I would never have predicted that.  I just didn't think that she had enough big UK hits to be such a draw.

 

Its how little she tours or plays festivals I think. There are loads of similar sized acts from the 00s that people had plenty of chance to see at the time and since, at V Festival, or in some circumstances Reading, or even the smaller ones like Kendal etc, but Avril never played that sort of thing and only did limited tours once every 5+ years. 

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Yeah, sometimes rarity plays a factor into it - which will likely help these reported stadium shows for LDR. She's not a prolific UK touring artist - only festival shows in the past six years - but that demand can pay off if the moment meets you and vice versa.

 

With the pop-punk revival and people like Olivia Rodrigo namechecking, it was probably a perfect storm for Avril.

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I don't think Avril will be about this year personally. Her star will drop, she had her moment and wasn't that big back in her day....that comes from someone's who's a huge fan. It's probably why she chose to play Glastonbury as well so if she does return in like a few years for example she'll previously played out to a mass of people. Ultimately Glastonbury crowds will over egg what tickets can be sold in the long term for an artist at their own gig.

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19 hours ago, mouserat said:

Not just Janelle. I had a look back at the clashfinder and I'm not sure anyone else on at the same time across all the stages was enough of a draw to get people - particularly the demographic with nostalgia for Avril Lavigne.

 

There was an Olivia Dean secret set on at the same time but I'd imagine that probably pulled about 150 people away from the Avril Crowd who weren't already planning on going the secret set.

 

I'd left Baxter Dury early for it expecting it to get closed off but obviously didn't realise the extent of what was happening at the Other Stage.

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1 hour ago, northernangel said:

I don't think Avril will be about this year personally. Her star will drop, she had her moment and wasn't that big back in her day....that comes from someone's who's a huge fan. It's probably why she chose to play Glastonbury as well so if she does return in like a few years for example she'll previously played out to a mass of people. Ultimately Glastonbury crowds will over egg what tickets can be sold in the long term for an artist at their own gig.

Shame as she would do well,

 

but shes already done big shows here, 2 ally pally dates- this is her 3rd year of touring now.

 

hibernation ready i guess

 

Cracking set though. Absolute highlight

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4 hours ago, GrumpyRaver said:

Same for Janelle. Stunning show, was right up there with Dua and LCD as not just weekend highlights, but all time Glastonbury highlights for me


I was skeptical she could match her West Holts performance, and even though it wasn’t quite as magical, she was truly exceptional and deserved a much bigger crowd. One serious stumble by the booking team, there. 

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25 minutes ago, kalifire said:


I was skeptical she could match her West Holts performance, and even though it wasn’t quite as magical, she was truly exceptional and deserved a much bigger crowd. One serious stumble by the booking team, there. 

Personally I think the booking team for Glastonbury should pass it over

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