When will this shit end?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Why the fixation on schools? There were links posted yesterday that their rates of infection were inline with the community. Teachers I know are doing self tests multiple times a week. 

Toiletduck shared information from Ireland showing transmission in schools was lower than other settings. 

 

[Ryan1984]

6 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Pubs in May then.

Am I right to think rule of 6 outside is at the same time or coming in before that point?

Honestly can’t see many abiding by that sort of rule if we get a decent weather forecast over Easter weekend...

I think, as frustrating as it is, we just have to wait for the roadmap on Monday for confirmation. Doesn’t mean we have to stop speculating though!

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I think, as frustrating as it is, we just have to wait for the roadmap on Monday for confirmation. Doesn’t mean we have to stop speculating though!

Yeah for sure, we’ll probably see another version or 2 leaked before now and Monday. It is reassuring to see cautiousness in the latest leaks.

[eFestivals]

13 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

transmission in schools was lower than other settings. 

hmmm, get back to us about 2 weeks after schools reopen, when there's been no rise in cases. 😛 

[Memory Man]

8 hours ago, zahidf said:

They've said every adult will be vaccinated by September.  Who's gonna want to social distance after that point?

This is key for me. Im happy to go along with necessary restrictions for now but once everyone has had their 2 doses then all restrictions need to be dropped. Yes re-innoculate the vulnerable / old in october/november if needed but there should be no restrictions after september as no one should be dying

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

39 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

hmmm, get back to us about 2 weeks after schools reopen, when there's been no rise in cases. 😛 

I suspect there will be a rise in cases, which I suspect there will be as any sector opens due to increased interactions - if schools have been that bad loads will have had it by now anyway. 

We'll see soon enough if there is an explosion in cases. 

Edited February 17, 2021 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 hour ago, Mr.Tease said:

The 470,000 deaths, lack of financial support or the slow vaccine rollout?

Fewer deaths per head than us despite maintaining normality throughout while we’ve been locked down for most of the year 

[stuartbert two hats]

The vocal fry guy who neatly explained mRNA vaccines is back to unpack how Novavax works:

Edit: I love his cheesy grins at the end!

P.S. @Toilet Duck the secret sauce from the tree bark that improves the immune response - would that same ingredient have any use in the other vaccines?

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[Billy Corgan's Ego]

1 hour ago, Mr.Tease said:

The 470,000 deaths, lack of financial support or the slow vaccine rollout?

Tbf, that's less deaths per capita than we have - which is truely minfblowing considering the differences in response. 

 

[zahidf]

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by zahidf

[zahidf]

With the vaccine rollout the situation has now radically changed, yet the goalposts are now being shifted compared to the assurances that were given when MPs voted for lockdown. The idea that this is all down to the need to protect against new variants makes no sense unless the UK is to maintain a NZ style prohibition on travel to and from abroad until Covid has been eliminated worldwide, which means forever and a day.
 

[stuartbert two hats]

While we're at it, here's his explanation of adenovirus vaccines:

 

[Stokesy10]

2 hours ago, El Matador said:

If social distancing is still enforced after the whole country has been vaccinated, we might as well throw the towel in and accept that we're living in 1984.

Completely. With all the good that the majority of this country has done, abiding by rules, reducing contact, distancing, not seeing loved ones, having their mettle and mental health tested and stretched, to be told that we have to keep social distancing and not have family/friends over after the nation has been vaccinated - sorry, bollox. 

[Stokesy10]

1 hour ago, JoeyT said:

Pubs in May then.

Am I right to think rule of 6 outside is at the same time or coming in before that point?

Honestly can’t see many abiding by that sort of rule if we get a decent weather forecast over Easter weekend...

I've just spent 10 minutes trying to find what this is in response to, it is early so forgive me - what have I missed?

[Simsy]

1 hour ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Why the fixation on schools? There were links posted yesterday that their rates of infection were inline with the community. Teachers I know are doing self tests multiple times a week. 

Toiletduck shared information from Ireland showing transmission in schools was lower than other settings. 

 

Are kids going to be doing lateral flow tests like teachers are? I'd expect cases to go up at first cos they'll pick up asymptomatic ones that would've been missed otherwise, but then cases in the wider community will come down because the asymptomatic kids will be isolating instead of quietly spreading germs.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Stokesy10 said:

I've just spent 10 minutes trying to find what this is in response to, it is early so forgive me - what have I missed?

TIme and Mail yesterday

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

With the vaccine rollout the situation has now radically changed, yet the goalposts are now being shifted compared to the assurances that were given when MPs voted for lockdown. The idea that this is all down to the need to protect against new variants makes no sense unless the UK is to maintain a NZ style prohibition on travel to and from abroad until Covid has been eliminated worldwide, which means forever and a day.
 

Yeah I agree with this actually. I've been on the cautious side throughout, but I really think easing of restrictions has to be led by deaths and hospitalisations. We should go slowly, but we shouldn't stay in lockdown because of the risk of new variants unless we fully shut out borders. Not saying the latter is a good idea, but it makes absolutely no sense to restrict the movements of people within a country to avoid spread of new variants if we're allowing them to constantly come in via open borders. It's one or the other surely.

I'm still not going to jump to conclusions until we see the roadmap. I think there's a lot of leaking to press so they can test popular opinion going on, but nothing concrete yet.

[st dan]

I think there are going to be some large scale riots/protests if restrictions haven’t been significantly eased by May, and we aren’t on some track back to ‘normality’ in the immediate future.
It’s almost as if we’re being punished for good compliance with lockdowns - they simply would not accept such strict measures in the majority of other countries, especially after those most vulnerable have been protected, which was the point of all this to begin with. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

What's weird about all this is that it seems out of character for this government to be so risk averse. They've mainly been pretty gung ho about reopening before - see November, for example, or EOTHO. So either the idea that severe restrictions will continue beyond all the vulnerable being vaccinated is just bollocks or the government have had a total change of heart in their covid approach. They did seem to really shit themselves around Christmas time and the situation was pretty dire. Have they been burned by that? Or are they just really trying to ensure this is the last lockdown? It just doesn't sound like them to me. I think it's far more likely we get schools, then shops and pubs following a few weeks after respectively.

Edited February 17, 2021 by Zoo Music Girl

[Mr.Tease]

16 minutes ago, Billy Corgan's Ego said:

Tbf, that's less deaths per capita than we have - which is truely minfblowing considering the differences in response. 

 

I do genuinely wonder what (if any) other factors come in to play (population density, regional/state variations, climate etc) - I've no idea, but there are some strange numbers and trends globally 

[Zoo Music Girl]

8 hours ago, gooner1990 said:

!!!

 

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

It's Matt. I wouldn't take too much stock of that.

It took me a minute, but I think the point is that Matt made the above post in March 2020. So he was kind of... right?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

What's weird about all this is that it seems out of character for this government to be so risk averse. They've mainly been pretty gung ho about reopening before - see November, for example, or EOTHO. So either the idea that severe restrictions will continue beyond all the vulnerable being vaccinated is just bollocks or the government have had a total change of heart in their covid approach. They did seem to really shit themselves around Christmas time and the situation was pretty dire. Have they been burned by that? Or are they just really trying to ensure this is the last lockdown? It just doesn't sound like them to me. I think it's far more likely we get schools, then shops and pubs following a few weeks after respectively.

I think they might have been burned by everything over Christmas and since then. Also I think Johnson really wants this to be the last lockdown so as a result will go really slowly which I can understand to be honest. 

[Mr.Tease]

3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

What's weird about all this is that it seems out of character for this government to be so risk averse. They've mainly been pretty gung ho about reopening before - see November, for example, or EOTHO. So either the idea that severe restrictions will continue beyond all the vulnerable being vaccinated is just bollocks or the government have had a total chance of heart in their covid approach. They did seem to really shit themselves around Christmas time and the situation was pretty dire. Have they been burned by that? Or are they just really trying to ensure this is the last lockdown? It just doesn't sound like them to me. I think it's far more likely we get schools, then shops and pubs following a few weeks after respectively.

I agree, either they've got some nasty data they haven't shared, or they don't want to make the mistake they made pre-Christmas, or it's PR so they look better when they more than exceed expectations, or they are just listening to the scientists more- shame they're so untrustworthy that we even have to speculate their motives! 

[zahidf]

 

[Homer]

I dislike this government/Johnson as much as anyone - but I don't believe for a second they want to keep us locked down, etc for any longer than they have to.