When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

18 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

 

Prick 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Prick ... too slow 😞 

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Prick 

It's amazing that someone who looks like the village idiot should have built a career recently out of photo ops.

[DeanoL]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Again this was never really a thing. There was a misconception in lockdown1 that the government said “only go to work if you’re a key worker, otherwise work from home if you can or otherwise take furlough”

 

Sectors like manufacturing and construction were permitted to continue throughout. Although many businesses decided to close and made use of the furlough scheme. 

That was what I was getting at - it wasn't a legal requirement but companies were encouraged to do it. At that point, most* did. They're not doing that any more, and it'll be hard to get back to that place

(*I mean it's relative, plenty didn't and I remember spending a lot of time on here at the time trying to get people to understand that loads and loads of people were still having to go to work, so of course they were going to go see their families too - but anecdotally it seems loads more are now - though in part that's because we know it's actually relatively safe for some industries to operate - but that doesn't help with childcare if schools close)

[tigger123]

3 minutes ago, xxialac said:

1) People behave differently late at night, drink more and when they drink, they drop their guard - increasing infections.

2) People are not used to curfews. Introducing them is a signal that people need to be more cautious and that the risks have gone up (a nudge technique to influence behaviour).

I think that's a really good point, curfews are new and 'scary' therefore more likely to get people to comply and realise the severity of the situation, as I think a lot of people are currently quite oblivious to how bad the situation is, especially given the lack of discussion around the overwhelmed NHS in the MSM

[Zoo Music Girl]

What's stricter in the new Scotland lockdown than the March one? Looks the same to me unless I've missed something.

[xxialac]

Just now, tigger123 said:

I think that's a really good point, curfews are new and 'scary' therefore more likely to get people to comply and realise the severity of the situation, as I think a lot of people are currently quite oblivious to how bad the situation is, especially given the lack of discussion around the overwhelmed NHS in the MSM

Yeah, I actually think the psychological factor is a bigger factor in their success.

People have got complacent and this would act as a wake-up.

Of course the Tories won't actually introduce them as 'we British people are not like foreigners and just love freedom too much' 

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

I think that's a really good point, curfews are new and 'scary' therefore more likely to get people to comply and realise the severity of the situation, as I think a lot of people are currently quite oblivious to how bad the situation is, especially given the lack of discussion around the overwhelmed NHS in the MSM

It's crazy isnt it - it's a huge crisis and is somehow getting very little coverage that pushes how bad it actually is 

Edited January 4, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[DeanoL]

8 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’d be fine with a curfew if it works. I just fail to understand the logic behind it. 

I was the same, but I think the argument is that the fewer excuses people have to leave home, the harder it is for them to convince either the police or themselves that what they're doing is okay. And with fewer people on the street, the easier it is for enforcement to actually happen on those on the street.

One of either the German or French curfews, it's illegal to be out between certain times without a document that explains why you are out. The document you can print off yourself and fill in and sign, but that then adds a lot of weight to the rules. It's easy to think what you might say to a theoretical policeman should they stop you when you're out. It's harder to pre-emptively fill out a form with a lie, when lying on the form is itself a crime.

[xxialac]

Just now, DeanoL said:

I was the same, but I think the argument is that the fewer excuses people have to leave home, the harder it is for them to convince either the police or themselves that what they're doing is okay. And with fewer people on the street, the easier it is for enforcement to actually happen on those on the street.

One of either the German or French curfews, it's illegal to be out between certain times without a document that explains why you are out. The document you can print off yourself and fill in and sign, but that then adds a lot of weight to the rules. It's easy to think what you might say to a theoretical policeman should they stop you when you're out. It's harder to pre-emptively fill out a form with a lie, when lying on the form is itself a crime.

Yeah, in Spain the streets are deserted after 10pm even in the big towns. Extremely high compliance.

So very easy for police cars to patrol around and ask anyone why they're out.

You can fill in a form on an app but people only do this if they have a legit reason so it's a major deterrent.

[Guest]

Schools shut in Scotland till Feb 1st, Sturgeon acting pretty swiftly and decisively here it seems. 

[xxialac]

Johnson looks seriously emasculated by always taking action after Sturgeon and after Starmer. The ERG are all macho positioning and yet they are led by a beta.

Johnson also threw the old fashioned and sexist 'big girl's blouse' tag at Corbyn.

No mirrors at 10 Downing Street clearly...

[Fuzzy Afro]

Scotland to have vaccinated the vulnerable by early May 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Scotland to have vaccinated the vulnerable by early May 

hopefully 

[Homer]

18 minutes ago, xxialac said:

1) People behave differently late at night, drink more and when they drink, they drop their guard - increasing infections.

2) People are not used to curfews. Introducing them is a signal that people need to be more cautious and that the risks have gone up (a nudge technique to influence behaviour).

True. The only time I have failed re mask and public transport was when I was drunk and thought I'd lost it. Luckily I was the only person on the whole bus so I sat right at the back. Later found it around my neck.

[Guest]

I’m surprised there’s no talk of a press conference today. Actually I’m not surprised at all.

[gooner1990]

11 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yeah, in Spain the streets are deserted after 10pm even in the big towns. Extremely high compliance.

I live on a main road going towards Oxford, the room I'm sat in now faces out to it...there are cars whizzing past every two seconds. 

People are finding any old excuse to go out at the moment I find....

[Tranquility of Solitude]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Scotland to have vaccinated the vulnerable by early May 

.... she said everyone over 50 so (I think) that’s more than just the vulnerable. (It includes me!). Her figure was that represents 2.5 million, that’s not far off 50% of the population.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, gooner1990 said:

I live on a main road going towards Oxford, the room I'm sat in now faces out to it...there are cars whizzing past every two seconds. 

People are finding any old excuse to go out at the moment I find....

cant disagree 

[lemons]

10 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yeah, in Spain the streets are deserted after 10pm even in the big towns. Extremely high compliance.

So very easy for police cars to patrol around and ask anyone why they're out.

You can fill in a form on an app but people only do this if they have a legit reason so it's a major deterrent.

In my experience Spanish cops have no issue using force and getting batons out no matter what. Even at a Fiesta Mayor early morning, time to clean up people got out of there quick when they came round.

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

hopefully 

Actually I worded that wrong. They want all over 50’s, and anyone under 50 who have specific health conditions.

 

Disgraceful behaviour from me to call >50’s vulnerable and I apologise to any non-vulnerable over 50’s reading this for misappropriating you. 

[xxialac]

Just now, lemons said:

In my experience Spanish cops have no issue using force and getting batons out no matter what. Even at a Fiesta Mayor early morning, time to clean up people got out of there quick when they came round.

That's true.

[Tranquility of Solitude]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Actually I worded that wrong. They want all over 50’s, and anyone under 50 who have specific health conditions.

 

Disgraceful behaviour from me to call >50’s vulnerable and I apologise to any non-vulnerable over 50’s reading this for misappropriating you. 

No offence taken! 

[Lizzim]

1 minute ago, Tranquility of Solitude said:

.... she said everyone over 50 so (I think) that’s more than just the vulnerable. (It includes me!). Her figure was that represents 2.5 million, that’s not far off 50% of the population.

My Mum is starting to worry  - none of her circle of over 80's has heard anything yet about getting their jag.  So who is getting it just now?

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, Tranquility of Solitude said:

.... she said everyone over 50 so (I think) that’s more than just the vulnerable. (It includes me!). Her figure was that represents 2.5 million, that’s not far off 50% of the population.

So do that and open up?