When will this shit end?

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, Euphoricape said:

To be honest, he was so vague that it could be certain areas only or it could be the whole country, although like u say that would not go down well with only 2 days to go until Christmas.

True. I would say I can't see it happening, but actually I kind of can after Saturday's announcement.

However, it could just as easily be one of those "be careful" press conferences where they don't really say much.

[squirrelarmy]

Boris won’t be working (if he ever did) after today so this will be his last chance to get an announcement regarding chances to tiers post Christmas. 
 

The tier 2 areas around the south will probably move up a tier as well as other areas that don’t have the virus under control. 
 

I don’t see a need to put the North up a tier. We seem to have things under control. Not that there’s much difference between tier 3 and 4 anyway post xmas. 

[xxialac]

7 hours ago, zahidf said:

Tony Blair says we should use the two dose vaccine as one dose and vaccinate as many people as possible.... also vaccines passport are a good idea we should use.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/covid-vaccine-tony-blair-coronavirus-b1777845.html

Hard to disagree with him.

We've made a hash of absolutely everything so far and this is the one - beyond crucial - thing we can get right if we set our best minds to work on the problem and devote proper resource to it.

Delivery should be round the clock once we have enough supply. 

We found £22 billion for Track and Trace, so we should surely be able to find £22 billion for the Vaccination programme.

The Pfizer jabs cost £0.5bn.

Sod the cost, get it done and get it done with intelligent planning (best to leave Johnson out of this).

[Copperface]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Hahaha true to form, that self serving clown gagging to get his dose before the oldies have their second one.

I do agree for what its worth but where Tony Blair is concerned its always worth asking why he pops his gross, hideous, war criminal head above the parapet When he does. The answer is always self interest. I wonder if he’s ever been formally diagnosed a narcissist or a sociopath because thats all he is. 

Compared to the shitshow currently in office and producing this daily disaster on so many fronts, I'd take Blair back with no second thoughts.

[xxialac]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Hahaha true to form, that self serving clown gagging to get his dose before the oldies have their second one.

I do agree for what its worth but where Tony Blair is concerned its always worth asking why he pops his gross, hideous, war criminal head above the parapet When he does. The answer is always self interest. I wonder if he’s ever been formally diagnosed a narcissist or a sociopath because thats all he is. 

Just so I've understood, your argument is that the (very high profile) former PM has written that thought piece about vaccine strategy in the hope that it influences government and that he himself gets vaccinated a little bit sooner.

Is that right?

[Copperface]

10 hours ago, Joshuwarr said:

Totally get all that - but I think it is important that people realise that we don't need to hit 50 million to reach normality. Nor that if we did does it mean that this thing is going to be over either. 

The 50m is actually two doses for 25m people.

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, Copperface said:

The 50m is actually two doses for 25m people.

You think we need to vaccinate TWENTY FIVE MILLION people to start relaxing the rules?

[Fuzzy Afro]

9 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Just so I've understood, your argument is that the (very high profile) former PM has written that thought piece about vaccine strategy in the hope that it influences government and that he himself gets vaccinated a little bit sooner.

Is that right?

He’s trolling for sure 

[philipsteak]

50 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

The guidance could change over Christmas? Surely they won't ban everyone else from seeing each other even on Christmas Day? No way that would be followed at this point and people will lose their shit.

Imagine this will end up being the Birmingham/Midlands tier announcement. Having said that though, I guess that would effectively change Christmas plans for anyone moving to tier 4.

Half way though the Queen's speech there'll be an emergency press conference. 

"Put that sprout down, step away from the table and get back to your bunker! "

Edited December 23, 2020 by philipsteak

[Chef]

 

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

You think we need to vaccinate TWENTY FIVE MILLION people to start relaxing the rules?

Whilst I agree with you there’s something i’m noticing here. It seems to be that once you’re vaccinated you still have to wear masks and social distance etc. Maybe there are concerns about the effectiveness of the vaccine and it will need to be a long period of time before we can effectively see the results for ourselves. 

[Copperface]

7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

You think we need to vaccinate TWENTY FIVE MILLION people to start relaxing the rules?

To start relaxing the rules, no. But many seem to be convinced that as soon as 'the vulnerable', whatever that is , are vaccinated then restrictions can be lifted completely. That initial phase numbers 25 million people, if that is what is classed as 'vulnerable'. It is certainly what PHE has included as a number in the initial high risk group.

Many restrictions will be in place until this 25m have been done, and then after that, a very slow and graduated/flexible lifting/imposition until we hit the 65-70% mark. Most of normality will have returned for 90% of the population, but mass events going to be last on that list.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Copperface

[Mr.Tease]

7 hours ago, zahidf said:

Tony Blair says we should use the two dose vaccine as one dose and vaccinate as many people as possible.... also vaccines passport are a good idea we should use.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/covid-vaccine-tony-blair-coronavirus-b1777845.html

Why is he suddenly advising us on this? Would one dose vaccine would mess up everything?- we'd have no idea if it meant the vaccine lasts for a shorter period of time, and whether it messes up ever boosting it in the future. Also it would mess up the vaccine passport idea for when you go abroad as we'd essentially have been half-vaccinated.

[Matt42]

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

To start relaxing the rules, no. But many seem to be convinced that as soon as 'the vulnerable', whatever that is , are vaccinated then restrictions can be lifted completely. That initial phase number 25 million people, if that is what is classed as 'vulnerable'. It is certainly what PHE has included as a number in the initial high risk group.

Many restrictions will be in place until this 25m have been done, and then after that, a very slow and graduated/flexible lifting/imposition until we hit the 65-70% mark. Most of normality will have returned for 90% of the population, but mass events going to be last on that list.

I think it’s very clear that some restrictions will have to remain in place after the vulnerable have been vaccinated. We won’t be dropping all of them after that has been done as we don’t know the full effects of the vaccine. I think if people think that all restrictions will be dropped once the vulnerable have been vaccinated they’ll be in for a shock. 

[Copperface]

1 minute ago, Mr.Tease said:

Why is he suddenly advising us on this? Would one dose vaccine would mess up everything?- we'd have no idea if it meant the vaccine lasts for a shorter period of time, and whether it messes up ever boosting it in the future. Also it would mess up the vaccine passport idea for when you go abroad as we'd essentially have been half-vaccinated.

Because it literally is what his foundation does.

He is advancing the cause of the so called Third World countries who may be left behind.

'Supporting governments on the ground.

We have staff in more than 20 countries, including 10 in Africa, and are helping leaders build strong crisis response systems. We are also providing bespoke support on disease suppression measures, testing, equipment procurement, tech solutions and economic response.'

https://institute.global/advisory/tools-governments-covid-19

 

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Why is he suddenly advising us on this? Would one dose vaccine would mess up everything?- we'd have no idea if it meant the vaccine lasts for a shorter period of time, and whether it messes up ever boosting it in the future. Also it would mess up the vaccine passport idea for when you go abroad as we'd essentially have been half-vaccinated.

Given he is a former Prime Minister, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he has access to the best scientific minds and he's not just putting this forward without canvassing their opinion first.

On the surface, its seems a reasonable idea. 

The first vaccine, it turns out, gives much more protection than had been expected so give everyone a one-vaccine regime and we can get the population vaccinated much more quickly, dramatically reducing the death and serious illness numbers.

They won't be 'half-vaccinated'.

 

[chris_nre]

[Copperface]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I think it’s very clear that some restrictions will have to remain in place after the vulnerable have been vaccinated. We won’t be dropping all of them after that has been done as we don’t know the full effects of the vaccine. I think if people think that all restrictions will be dropped once the vulnerable have been vaccinated they’ll be in for a shock. 

There is still strong representation here by those who believe it'll all be over by Easter and then back home for tea and medals.

[tigger123]

7 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Whilst I agree with you there’s something i’m noticing here. It seems to be that once you’re vaccinated you still have to wear masks and social distance etc. Maybe there are concerns about the effectiveness of the vaccine and it will need to be a long period of time before we can effectively see the results for ourselves. 

I think it’s also a safety precaution as they’re not sure if you can still pass on the virus to others even though you’re vaccinated, plus no vaccine is 100% effective. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Copperface said:

There is still strong representation here by those who believe it'll all be over by Easter and then back home for tea and medals.

Yeah I know, they’ll be disappointed.

[Guest]

Considering Stevie posted the last YouGov poll yesterday, here’s the latest one today:

 

[Mr.Tease]

2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Because it literally is what his foundation does.

He is advancing the cause of the so called Third World countries who may be left behind.

'Supporting governments on the ground.

We have staff in more than 20 countries, including 10 in Africa, and are helping leaders build strong crisis response systems. We are also providing bespoke support on disease suppression measures, testing, equipment procurement, tech solutions and economic response.'

https://institute.global/advisory/tools-governments-covid-19

 

Advancing the cause of third world countries that might be left behind is a very different to saying, essentially, half the dose in the UK to speed up vaccination in the UK- I genuinely don't know what the research is on the impact of doing that with regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine- does he have access to research in this?

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, tigger123 said:

I think it’s also a safety precaution as they’re not sure if you can still pass on the virus to others even though you’re vaccinated, plus no vaccine is 100% effective. 

Also I don't think anyone has has both doses yet.

[Mellotr0n]

11 hours ago, Copperface said:

At current rates going to take 200 weeks just to fully vaccinate the designated 9 groups in phase 1. Massive effort needed to complete just that group by mid/end summer.

 

You keep saying this over and over again. No one expects it to continue at current rate, so I don’t know why you talk like it will be.

Oxford is likely coming online in the next week or two, and numbers are already ramping up significantly prior to that.

People who know far more about the logistics than me or you are still looking at a far more optimistic timeline than you are referring to.

This is unhelpful doom-mongering.