Neil Young 2020

[Henrik]

10 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

So why is he an old fool? For his opposition to Spotify helping spread misinformation, or the fact that he's standing up for it?

He is demanding censorship. Hardly rocking in the free world is it 🤣

[JoeyT]

Just now, Henrik said:

He is demanding censorship. Hardly rocking in the free world is it 🤣

There's a difference between a free world and factually incorrect misinformation?

[Gnomicide]

All use of laughing/crying emoji's should be censored. 

[The Nal]

Just now, Gnomicide said:

All use of laughing/crying emoji's should be censored. 

Theyre the cringiest thing on the internet. Peak Twitter nonsense. 

[maelzoid]

3 minutes ago, Henrik said:

He is demanding censorship. Hardly rocking in the free world is it 🤣

No, he's not.

If Spotify, for any reason chose to stop broadcasting Rogen's show, that is still not censorship. Censorship is when an authoritative body prevents Rogen from broadcasting entirely. 

Young is saying he does not want to do business with a company that monetises Covid / vaccine disinformation.

[Henrik]

9 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

All use of laughing/crying emoji's should be censored. 

Which song is that from? 

[Henrik]

10 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

No, he's not.

If Spotify, for any reason chose to stop broadcasting Rogen's show, that is still not censorship. Censorship is when an authoritative body prevents Rogen from broadcasting entirely. 

Young is saying he does not want to do business with a company that monetises Covid / vaccine disinformation.

No, he's not. 

He has literally said it is either my music or his show. So he will happily do business with them if they agree to his censorship demands. Rogan first, who's next? 

[jparx]

1 minute ago, Henrik said:

No, he's not. 

He has literally said it is either my music or his show. So he will happily do business with them if they agree to his censorship demands. Rogan first, who's next? 

Anyone else who wilfully spreads lies that can literally kill people?

[Henrik]

1 minute ago, jparx said:

Anyone else who wilfully spreads lies that can literally kill people?

Dude, relax 😂

[mattiloy]

18 minutes ago, Henrik said:

No, he's not. 

He has literally said it is either my music or his show. So he will happily do business with them if they agree to his censorship demands. Rogan first, who's next? 

Why do you love Rogan so much? Ahh no, you’re not another one of these ’red pilled’ internet guys who turned their ’beta’ life around by tidying your room and eating raw meat are ya?

[Rumblestripe]

25 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Dude, relax 😂

Oh dear. Is it 1993 again?

[Henrik]

6 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Why do you love Rogan so much? Ahh no, you’re not another one of these ’red pilled’ internet guys who turned their ’beta’ life around by tidying your room and eating raw meat are ya?

Are you okay? 

[Henrik]

1 minute ago, Rumblestripe said:

Oh dear. Is it 1993 again?

I don't understand the reference, sorry.

[Henrik]

As much as I would love to spend the rest of the day chatting with Neil Young fans on the internet, I think we can draw a line under it. 

Old Neil has deleted his letter, and his music is still available to stream on Spotify. Looks like the old fool has come to his senses. 

[maelzoid]

31 minutes ago, Henrik said:

No, he's not. 

He has literally said it is either my music or his show. So he will happily do business with them if they agree to his censorship demands. Rogan first, who's next? 

But that is categorically not censorship. Because nobody here would be suppressing Rogen's output. He would be free to broadcast with anyone else who would have him.

And even if it were censorship, would that be a bad thing? People seem to assume that all censorship is by definition wrong, but it has a useful role to play in society, specifically hate speech and incitement to violence. I think we are now faced with the question on whether vaccine disinformation should be censored, because it absolutely does lead to deaths. Certain platforms like Facebook and Twitter are making moves to censor vaccine disinformation, and I don't think it's outrageous to expect Spotify to do the same, especially when in this case they are creators of the content (by directly paying Rogen), rather than mere carriers.

[maelzoid]

7 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Are you okay? 

You didn't answer the question...

[Henrik]

22 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

You didn't answer the question...

What question? Why do I love Rogan so much? 

Behave yourself. I've not even said I like Joe Rogan. 

[Henrik]

39 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

And even if it were censorship, would that be a bad thing? People seem to assume that all censorship is by definition wrong, but it has a useful role to play in society, specifically hate speech and incitement to violence. I think we are now faced with the question on whether vaccine disinformation should be censored, because it absolutely does lead to deaths. Certain platforms like Facebook and Twitter are making moves to censor vaccine disinformation, and I don't think it's outrageous to expect Spotify to do the same, especially when in this case they are creators of the content (by directly paying Rogen), rather than mere carriers.

Simple question for you: who gets to decide who should and who shouldn't be censored? 

Take as long as you need to think about that one. 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Henrik

[mattiloy]

48 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Are you okay? 

Yes thanks. Why do you fancy Joe Rogan so much anyway?

[maelzoid]

2 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Simple question for you: who gets to decide who should and who shouldn't be censored? 

Take as long as you need to think about that one. 

Firstly, it is not a question of who gets censored, but what gets censored. The content of the message should dictate any censorship, not the source.

It is decided through societal consensus. It is enacted through a combination of public policy, laws and regulation of broadcast, publication and other media.

On a practical level this is of course hard to get right a lot of the time. When MPs make laws over what should be censored, they are writing policy based on what they believe is best, rather than consulting with the entirety of the population, and most new policy will be based on previous versions and the public response to them - does the censorship go too far, or not far enough?

Do you believe all censorship is wrong? Should we allow a platform for holocaust deniers, for IS beheading videos?

I believe these things should be censored. The question we face today is should vaccine/covid disinformation be treated the same way? I haven't got a definitive answer for that, but it is indisputable that these lies have cost lives.

[maelzoid]

50 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

You didn't answer the question...

 

27 minutes ago, Henrik said:

What question? Why do I love Rogan so much? 

Behave yourself. I've not even said I like Joe Rogan. 

That's the question. Are you a fan?

[CaledonianGonzo]

The Needle and The Damage Done (by giving it a swerve)

[balti-pie]

Joe Rogan is a fucking idiot. Neil Young is a bloody great fella. Thus endeth my treatise on this specific issue. 

[Ted Dansons Wig]

So I’m out walking the pooch this morning with On the Beach on Spotify. All of a sudden the songs are listed as unavailable. Log out/ back in all the albums gone.

is this just me or as he actually gone and carried out the threat?

[FloorFiller]

2 minutes ago, Ted Dansons Wig said:

So I’m out walking the pooch this morning with On the Beach on Spotify. All of a sudden the songs are listed as unavailable. Log out/ back in all the albums gone.

is this just me or as he actually gone and carried out the threat?

Yep, apart from a couple of live recordings everything is gone.