Oasis

[efcfanwirral]

20 minutes ago, gfa said:

Do you actually think most people sit there refreshing for half an hour hoping a normal ticket pops up! efests bubble if i've ever heard it

 

People think its either £350 or viagogo - and are stressed and rushed into it thinking they could get kicked out when TM f**ks up or crashes.

If I hadn't pushed and pushed my group of friends to stop staring at their high Ticketmaster queue numbers and moaning about them on whatsapp, and instead focus on refreshing Seetickets constantly EVEN IF it kept crashing, and done that myself to help them, we wouldn't have collectively got the tickets we needed. "Seetickets is down" turned into "I'm through to the ticket page" within about 10 minutes for me. I bet most people assumed it'd never come back. 

[MilkyJoe]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

But that isn’t so much time if you are going with a group of mates and have already agreed a max price based on what’s been advertised …. The push for extra means a frantic ring round / text …. Let’s face it I’ve been 30 seconds from timing out on the Glastonbury sale with a price I’ve already known . 

Fair point. Maybe I'm just a little old and cynical.

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, lsccksdg said:

4 x standing tickets for £148 just went up on Twickets. Booking fee in total was £50ish. I tried to buy but someone already nabbed them. I have alerts switched on but didn’t get one, I just happened to check!

which date was that? Just checking my alerts are working

[lsccksdg]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

which date was that? Just checking my alerts are working

12th July at Heaton Park. No one else I know got the alert either 

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, lsccksdg said:

12th July at Heaton Park. No one else I know got the alert either 

Yeah that's one in my range. Interesting

[st dan]

Assume Twickets will have some order to its distribution list re alerts, whether that be alphabetical or the order in which they were signed up to for example. 
Guessing the first people to receive the alert would have snapped them up before all emails had even been sent out. 

[MilkyJoe]

3 minutes ago, st dan said:

Assume Twickets will have some order to its distribution list re alerts, whether that be alphabetical or the order in which they were signed up to for example. 
Guessing the first people to receive the alert would have snapped them up before all emails had even been sent out. 

There's also a strong possibility that there are people sat on twickets all day and they were snapped up immediately before any alerts had the chance to go out.

[doogie]

I wouldn't rely on alerts from Twickets.

 

I had alerts set up for the Eras tour and never received a single alert.  Tickets were listed on there from time to time but they always went within milliseconds.  I'm pretty sure there were a load of bots nabbing them before a human physically could, and sticking them on Stubhub.

 

However, the one time I was successful was when tickets were in someone else's basket. I kept going back and refreshing, and I guess the other buyer timed out because they somehow fell into mine.

Edited September 2, 2024 by doogie

[RossTC]

So just catching up, what are the current best guesses on supports? 

[Dales]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

I agree I think the hype that social media creates and also the yearning to be part of that hype plays a big role here. I think for some the likes and comments are worth the premium.

 

I seem to remember seeing social media posts on Friday night from people who had bought tickets from Viagogo/Stub Hub after the presale.

 

What sort of idiot pays stupid prices for resale tickets before the actual main ticket sale? The sort of people who want the bragging rights, likes and imagined kudos of being amongst the first to get tickets.

[Alan_C]

2 standing on Twickets for the Friday at Murrayfield now. Nearly £400 each with the Twickets fee on top. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

1 minute ago, Dales said:

 

I seem to remember seeing social media posts on Friday night from people who had bought tickets from Viagogo/Stub Hub after the presale.

 

What sort of idiot pays stupid prices for resale tickets before the actual main ticket sale? The sort of people who want the bragging rights, likes and imagined kudos of being amongst the first to get tickets.

And have pots of cash 

[dingbat2]

Respect to anyone selling them on twickets at face value when they could have got a lot more from other sites

[Dales]

1 hour ago, st dan said:

Yeah true, I guess I was more coming from the angle that by not allowing them to sell out in minutes (which traditionally they would have), but this whole drawn out saga for hours, essentially created hundreds of thousands of people waiting in a queue, who purchased tickets at these inflated prices if they were ‘lucky’ enough to get through, as they felt they had no option to and had to decide in a split second. Whereas with more time and rationale, they may have realised that £350+ for general admission is crazy money. 
So they get people to purchase at these prices because of the queue they have themselves controlled. 

 

Your certainly on to something. I am sure they employ someone or get consultants to advise them. They probably scientifically analysis the behaviours of ticket buyers and you are probably right, dragging out the process could be one of the tatctics to make you feel "lucky" to have got through and morelikely to hit that buy button.

[Ryan1984]

1 hour ago, doogie said:

 

Yes it has.  For most years between about 2003 and 2014, See was a complete sh*t show.  But this was seen as a good thing by many glasto regulars as it rewarded the persistent as the casuals gave up.

I still have nightmares of the 2004 Aloud.com (offshoot of See?) sale. But we did it!

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, st dan said:

Yeah true, I guess I was more coming from the angle that by not allowing them to sell out in minutes (which traditionally they would have), but this whole drawn out saga for hours, essentially created hundreds of thousands of people waiting in a queue, who purchased tickets at these inflated prices if they were ‘lucky’ enough to get through, as they felt they had no option to and had to decide in a split second. Whereas with more time and rationale, they may have realised that £350+ for general admission is crazy money. 
So they get people to purchase at these prices because of the queue they have themselves controlled. 

I really would like to know exactly how many got put onto surge pricing. I know someone who got through to Ticketmaster at 2.30 and got 4 face value tickets for the first Manchester date, so 5 and a half hours of trying.

 

One consequence of the time it took to sell out is that persistence paid off. Obviously some people had to do other things, but also there will be plenty who gave up

[Johndenis]

4 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

Turns out the real problem was that they should have been more expensive in the first place.

 

Acknowledging the poster's good joke - "the real problem was that they should have been more expensive in the first place" 🙂 - Isn't this explanation from a supposed expect speaking on the BBC obviously incorrect?  It's nothing to do with the number of people in a queue.  It's just that as inventory decreases, the price rises?  There could be 1000 folk left in the queue but they will still charge the higher price for the last 20% or 25% of tickets.

Edited September 2, 2024 by Johndenis

[gfa]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Well £150 is below market value as showed by the sale. The band are maximising income just in the same way footballers or actors do. I know people don’t like to look at this way but it’s a business deal between the act and the public.

 

There is a big divorce bill to be paid off and if people are willing to pay that off in exchange for singing wonderwall in Heaton park with like minded people and the social media buzz that having “must have tickets” bring, then maybe we just accept it’s an arrangement that works for everyone involved.

Pick a price and stick with it like everyone else does is my take.

 

If your going to say its £150 then stick with it

 

If you want to charge £300 then own it and don't do it on the sly

 

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Should the warmup shows be £1,000 because they will sell out instantly?

Edited September 2, 2024 by gfa

[pink_triangle]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Which is exactly how airline tickets have been sold for years - but the government and customers and celebreties never got annoyed about that!

I think the big difference is people see the airline and hotel as a faceless business. The band is still a business but they have a face and fans often forget they are business.

[gfa]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Which is exactly how airline tickets have been sold for years - but the government and customers and celebreties never got annoyed about that!

People get annoyed at air fares changing all the time - but it is of course accepted.

 

Let's not let gig tickets get to that point. Once in a lifetime events that you can't just go to next week/month/year like your holiday to Spain or whatever.

 

Its not that shocking people hold 'working class' heroes oasis to a higher standard than faceless corporations like Travelodge and EasyJet!

[pink_triangle]

3 minutes ago, gfa said:

Pick a price and stick with it like everyone else does is my take.

 

If your going to say its £150 then stick with it

 

If you want to charge £300 then own it and don't do it on the sly

 

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Should the warmup shows be £1,000 because they will sell out instantly?

That would be my preferred system as well. I think however the current system is the one that allows the band to make the profit they want and let the fans pretend it’s not about the money and blame the ticket agency. I think despite all the moaning a lot of fans prefer a system where they can pretend that their heroes are all about the fans.

[Yokel Again]

5 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

That would be my preferred system as well. I think however the current system is the one that allows the band to make the profit they want and let the fans pretend it’s not about the money and blame the ticket agency. I think despite all the moaning a lot of fans prefer a system where they can pretend that their heroes are all about the fans.

All smoke and mirrors innit, companies owned by companies owned by companies. etc 

[Soleili]

Some tickets on Twickets for Wembley + Cardiff. £500 each!

[gfa]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Many people have to fly for other reasons and often at very short notice for family illness or deaths - when they book late the prices are far far higher than those who are able to book early for their holiday. That is in every way as wrong as what TM and the bands/promotors do so if it is under question in one scenario then it really should be looked at where ever it is used.

All gig going is leisure

 

A large amount of flying is not leisure (although a lot paid by business i'm sure)

 

Gigs are also controlled within one country - far easier to legislate against than foreign airlines

 

I don't understand why its so controversial to stop things like outrageous fees, own-brand touting etc

[gfa]

Just now, Soleili said:

Some tickets on Twickets for Wembley + Cardiff. £500 each!

Given how slow these surge tickets are going i've got a feeling close to the show twickets is going to be chock full of them