Oasis

[Dales]

The cynic in me just thinks that the set list may be dictated by potential commercial spin-offs. They have a few old compilations that between them cover the singles and other popular songs.

 

I just think they will be keen to put yet another compilation out leading up to the tour and a live album after. This could work well for fans if they added a few previous little played tunes or would they go solid tunes everyone knows.

 

Any chance of an old discarded High Flying Bird's that Noel did not use with Liams vocals? Give us "something new"

[Dales]

11 minutes ago, foolee said:

Someone put it very well on another forum re dynamic pricing so I’m just going to take it and put it here. 

 

“It's not exactly the same model though, because you can choose a different airline or airport to get you to the same destination. But if there's a big gig that's only on sale via TM (or TM have a huge monopoly on the ticket allocation), then you're stuck paying the inflated prices if you wanna go.”

 

It is the same and they knew what they were doing on this sale and others. Ensure that See/G&T gets tickets to ensure its not a monopoly. TM will ensure they never fall in to the trap of having 100% of the tickets for these tours as much as some of the board might want it, the legal team would highlight the pit falls.

 

Most Airlines are owned by other Airlines. When they are not part of a group they often team up to restrict tickets,share flight codes so they can all benefit from dynamic pricing to restrict competition. Airlines and Hotels are as bad as if not worse then Ticketmaster. Did TM sell someone a ticket that does not exist and then cancel it? Airlines do that all the time, I am stunned that this is allowed and yet that has not been changed.

 

I wish Dynamic Pricing was not on concert tickets but when "ticketing is reviewed" it will be by politicians, business people and legal minds. In my opinion they will be looking at it from a legal point of view, simply seeing if they broke any rules.

 

I get the views on models are different but thats not important the only thing that is for change, is dynamic pricing legal or not legal full stop. No politician will be saying only for hotels and airlines or on Friday or a leap year etc. It will either be allowed or it will not, clearly as its already embedded in so many parts of life, there must be very little appetite by those with influence/power to change it.

 

I think if there was a genuine legal reason to treat tickets differently, some one would be waving the legislation.

 

As has been suggested by others the only thing that may work is people power not buying the tickets or boycotting artists or agencies that use dynamic pricing. Again, like others I can't see that happening. We will probably never know, how many dynamic tickets got sold but its not new and so a percentage of ticket buyers are excepting the practice even if its with gritted teeth and venting on social media.

[pink_triangle]

38 minutes ago, foolee said:

Someone put it very well on another forum re dynamic pricing so I’m just going to take it and put it here. 

 

“It's not exactly the same model though, because you can choose a different airline or airport to get you to the same destination. But if there's a big gig that's only on sale via TM (or TM have a huge monopoly on the ticket allocation), then you're stuck paying the inflated prices if you wanna go.”

There is still the choice not to go which exists however many are selling tickets, those who will pay regardless are effectively feeding the beast. Unfortunately in this situation supply can’t meet demand so it’s inevitable some are disappointed.

[87 BEANS]

1 hour ago, Chrisp1986 said:

Can we talk about the actual gig now? 😄

 

Predicted setlist? Greatest hits or some deeper cuts? Surely a few b sides (acquiesce, half world, masterplan)?

Probably not realistic and too many songs as i also cant imagine itl get to 2 hours in length to manage Liams voice, but made this after securing tickets at the weekend. I feel like the actual setlist will lean a lot on Definitely maybe and WTSMG given the nostalgia/reunion angle

[Justcalledtosay]

1 hour ago, Chrisp1986 said:

Can we talk about the actual gig now? 😄

 

I'm not ready for that 😭

[FuzzyDunlop]

This would be my Dream Setlist

 

Swamp Song

Rock n Roll Star

Columbia

Hey Now

Some Might Say

Stand By Me

Headshrinker

The Masterplan

Little By Little

Supersonic

Stop Crying Your heart out

Gas Panic

Cigs & Alcohol

Shock of the Lightning

Half the World Away

Champagne Supernova

-----------------

Acquiesce

Wonderwall

Dont look back in Anger

Live Forever

 

 

 

 

 

[clarkete]

Springsteen did do a Victor Kiam (that's a ref for the oldies) :-

“I’m going, 'Hey, why shouldn’t that money go to the guys that are going to be up there sweating three hours a night for it?'" he told Rolling Stone, external.

"It [dynamic pricing] created an opportunity for that to occur.

"And so at that point, we went for it.

"I know it was unpopular with some fans.

"But if there’s any complaints on the way out, you can have your money back."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74jdxle935o

[Chrisp1986]

1 minute ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

This would be my Dream Setlist

 

Swamp Song

Rock n Roll Star

Columbia

Hey Now

Some Might Say

Stand By Me

Headshrinker

The Masterplan

Little By Little

Supersonic

Stop Crying Your heart out

Gas Panic

Cigs & Alcohol

Shock of the Lightning

Half the World Away

Champagne Supernova

-----------------

Acquiesce

Wonderwall

Dont look back in Anger

Live Forever

 

 

 

 

 

Almost perfect to me but would swap out Little By Little. Seen Noel do it loads solo and as a band previous. Rather have All Around The World which I have never seen live.

[DeanoL]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Isn’t the legislation regarding football resale more linked to security than cost? Having looked for my son there are definitely sites selling Liverpool tickets at top whack. I suspect with the American taking over football we are more likely to see rules loosened to support them making money rather than a move the other way. Again though a lot of the talk seems to be about how to sort this through legislation, at what stage do the customers take responsibility. They can kill off dynamic pricing today if everyone refuses to pay.

I see what you're saying, but honestly, I think getting legislation through is 1000x more likely than getting everyone to just refuse to pay. And to be clear I think the chances of any legislation happening are absolutely tiny also. 

[Chrisp1986]

6 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

The hills thing with Chris is a Bearded Theory connected 'joke'. We know the stadium in Cardiff well but thanks anyway.

It's not a joke. It's a difference of opinions.

[FuzzyDunlop]

12 minutes ago, Chrisp1986 said:

Almost perfect to me but would swap out Little By Little. Seen Noel do it loads solo and as a band previous. Rather have All Around The World which I have never seen live.

 

Seen Little By Little a bunch & not seen All around the world since 1997. I would be happy to have that in.

 

I would keep Liitle By Little in though as it is a monster sing a long, and to make it not 100% 90s.

 

I've seen the entire setlist of mine live barring Hey Now. (Which is why I really want that in)

 

Slide Away, Cast No Shadow, Listen Up - Those are the biggest omissions for me from the setlist. They'd be next up, even though Ive seen them live

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by FuzzyDunlop

[Sitruc97]

Any word on supports for dates other then the Manchester shows?

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, Dales said:

Whats needed is a business legal reason why concert tickets should be treated differently and there is no one. A health and Safety reason would be good. So far I have not seen anyone come up with one other then from a moral point of view, its wrong, poor form, should not do it because they are working class? I assume these are the people who believe they are the best crow so far on the tour or we only do this for you. 

For a start because they're non-refundable and non-exchangeable. 

For second because there's often limited supply and so people are forced to make a decision in the moment that might be wrong for them.

 

Now you might say they should just put on their big-boy pants and learn not to be stupid with their own money, and to be honest I'd probably agree with you.

 

But that doesn't change the fact that there's a reason you have a right in the UK to return most goods bought within 14 days. It's known as a cooling off period and it was a law that was literally introduced to address this exact behaviour, of people being pressured into sales in shops or by getting carried away by online sales. The sort of "book now, tickets will be gone in minutes" sort of pressurised sale is the exact thing that legislation was designed to prevent, but of course concert tickets have long been exempt from said legislation.

 

Whether you believe or not that government should legislate to keep people safe from themselves, it's inarguable that they have done so in the past, in very similar circumstances.

[pink_triangle]

8 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I see what you're saying, but honestly, I think getting legislation through is 1000x more likely than getting everyone to just refuse to pay. And to be clear I think the chances of any legislation happening are absolutely tiny also. 

You’re probably right and that’s why things won’t change. Not enough are willing to protest in a way which involves personal sacrifice. It’s easy to moan on social media and Ticketmaster will be happy enough if it continues to be all words and no action.

 

There could easily be legislation, but that will pretty much be making the ticket company specify a maximum price when entering the queue. If such a system had been in place how many would have stopped queuing ? My guess hardly any, so we are talking potential tick box legislation that changes nothing.

[CR77]

2 minutes ago, Sitruc97 said:

Any word on supports for dates other then the Manchester shows?

 

Would love them to get Slade along for a 20-minute slot on some of the dates... I know Noddy Holder hasn't gigged for about 30 years, but if he's to have one last moment on stage this should be it! (And he's made up with Dave Hill now, so you never know!)

[Chrisp1986]

19 minutes ago, Sitruc97 said:

Any word on supports for dates other then the Manchester shows?

What is word for Heaton? Still Blossoms and POSSIBLY courteeners?

[CR77]

Set List - Purely based on nostalgia, would be happy enough with just songs (inc. b-sides) from the first three albums - not sure they'll play much (if anything!) off Be Here Now, but Stay Young would be good at least.  There's a load of stuff I'd love to hear live, but which are unlikely, such as Step Out, (I Got) The Fever, Rockin' Chair, Round Are Way, It's Gettin' Better (Man!!).

 

Wondering how popular later songs are with younger fans who don't have the nostalgia attachment of the 90s stuff?  Are we likely to get things like Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little by Little, Songbird, Gas Panic, Go Let It Out, Lyla, Importance of Being Idle, Shock of the Lightning etc?  And is Stand By Me hugely popular now due to the recent advert?!  To be brutally honest, not bothered about hearing any of those live, even though I like them.

[Dales]

38 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 

Now you might say they should just put on their big-boy pants and learn not to be stupid with their own money, and to be honest I'd probably agree with you. While, I dont like big state making calls on everything, they do  get voted in to help us. However, is concert tickets  the thing they should be protecting us from? Drugs, Alcohol, Cigs, Vaps, Self-Harm,  Misinformation and other stuff surely should be before concerts ticktes and Airlines selling tickets they do not  have (I  have  a  bee in my bonnet on that  one after British Airways balloted out 6 people for flight  I was booked on to Florence as they expected people to cancel and that never happpened. 

 

You make a really good point below and if you get a cooling off period for flight tickets, sports events etc then thats somethng that a legal team could push to apply to concert tickets. Equaly, if they do not then thats something TM would use  to not have  a cooling off period.

 

That pressurised selling goes on in airline websites and hotel sites. Last seat or flight, will be gone in minutes, 2 seats booked in the last minute etc. I don't like it but if its allowed in those sectors

 

But that doesn't change the fact that there's a reason you have a right in the UK to return most goods bought within 14 days. It's known as a cooling off period and it was a law that was literally introduced to address this exact behaviour, of people being pressured into sales in shops or by getting carried away by online sales. The sort of "book now, tickets will be gone in minutes" sort of pressurised sale is the exact thing that legislation was designed to prevent, but of course concert tickets have long been exempt from said legislation.

 

Whether you believe or not that government should legislate to keep people safe from themselves, it's inarguable that they have done so in the past, in very similar circumstances.

 

Its not that I don't believe the that it should be legislated its I just don't see how they ring fence concerts from dynamic pricing  but allow it every where else.

 

While, I dont like big state making calls on everything, they do  get voted in to help us. However, is concert tickets  the thing they should be protecting us from? Drugs, Alcohol, Cigs, Vaps, Self-Harm,  Misinformation and other stuff surely should be before concerts ticktes and Airlines selling tickets they do not  have (I  have  a  bee in my bonnet on that  one after British Airways balloted out 6 people for flight  I was booked on to Florence as they expected people to cancel and that never happpened. 

 

You make a really good point below and if you get a cooling off period for flight tickets, sports events etc then thats somethng that a legal team could push to apply to concert tickets. Equaly, if they do not then thats something TM would use  to not have  a cooling off period.

 

That pressurised selling goes on in airline websites and hotel sites. Last seat or flight, will be gone in minutes, 2 seats booked in the last minute etc. I don't like it but if its allowed in those sector's,

 

Its not that I don't believe the that it should be legislated its I just don't see how they ring fence concerts from dynamic pricing  but allow it every where else.

 

Maybe, I am coming across as a fan of dynamic pricing, I'm not I just don't understand the winnable way to get it out concerts. I hope I am wrong and there is away.

Edited September 3, 2024 by Dales

[Armourman]

As awful as it is logistically if affects very few gigs other than top bands that most want to see. And to be frank quite often these end up on 3rd party sites for 3 or 4 times what dynamic pricing brings so does it help stop scalping? However in terms of legislation I'd like to see 3rd party sites completely outlawed. In a way dynamic pricing offers the big ticket companies a stake in making that happen, then legal resale sites can mop up any that people want to sell even if they are 3 times starting price. 

 

Also when did it become acceptable to charge £150 for a ticket before any dynamic pricing kicks in? Post covid people seem to have lost their marbles when it comes to bucket list bands! 

[MilkyJoe]

3 hours ago, Chrisp1986 said:

Can we talk about the actual gig now? 😄

 

Predicted setlist? Greatest hits or some deeper cuts? Surely a few b sides (acquiesce, half world, masterplan)?

No we can’t. Well not exclusively. I’m going to keep bitching until ticketmaster gives me a ticket for Cardiff. At face value.😁

[MilkyJoe]

1 hour ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

This would be my Dream Setlist

 

Swamp Song

Rock n Roll Star

Columbia

Hey Now

Some Might Say

Stand By Me

Headshrinker

The Masterplan

Little By Little

Supersonic

Stop Crying Your heart out

Gas Panic

Cigs & Alcohol

Shock of the Lightning

Half the World Away

Champagne Supernova

-----------------

Acquiesce

Wonderwall

Dont look back in Anger

Live Forever

 

 

 

 

 

That looks pretty good to me, just finish on I am the Walrus for us old timers.🙏

[charlierc]

19 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I just don’t believe that many people have this £150-300 gig budget per year and once used up that’s it. I imagine you will have some who wouldn’t have gone to any gigs if it wasn’t for oasis and most who do will carry on as they would anyway.

I think there are though. There's unquestionably people out there who are just 1/2 gig a year people and some who will limit it to big things like this, just how there were people I spotted who don't normally attend big concerts at the Era Tour.

[Crazyfool01]

16 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

No we can’t. Well not exclusively. I’m going to keep bitching until ticketmaster gives me a ticket for Cardiff. At face value.😁

theres months till the actual gigs ... plenty of time and room for both 

[charlierc]

27 minutes ago, Armourman said:

Also when did it become acceptable to charge £150 for a ticket before any dynamic pricing kicks in? Post covid people seem to have lost their marbles when it comes to bucket list bands! 

There's claims that since covid and the inflation spiral in 2022/23, acts are now charging twice as much to get booked, which is being filtered down in increased prices.

 

Some acts are taking it to extremes. The Killers' recent dates were way more expensive than their twice-postponed stadium shows in 2022, while Muse went from a sub-£80 standing ticket in 2019 to about £110+ in 2023, which - yikes.

[charlierc]

Apparently one of U2's main producers said that the Oasis tour might put U2 off touring Europe next year, or at least doing big stadium shows.

 

There's surely room for both in the schedule isn't there? Or is the fact Noel Gallagher was U2's main opening act on their last stadium tour enough for them to think there's that big a crossover that there won't be enough people willing to fork out such a whopping ticket price?

Edited September 3, 2024 by charlierc