UK Politics

[kaosmark2]

"Permissive attitudes" is fascist talk.

[stuie]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Can’t help thinking that if right wing c**ts like her didn’t stir up the hatred between groups there might be more integration and harmony. 

[clarkete]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

The countering extremism commissioner was appointed by Priti Patel, the notorious bully and breacher of the ministerial code. 

The sooner these poisonous feckers are given a kicking at the ballot box the better. 

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

and...

 

I think the trouble with the debate about WFH is people who say it’s only positive or only negative, when the truth is somewhere in the middle.

i think working from home is great for some (not all)  people with physical or mental health problems who would struggle either to get to an office, or cope with the office environment.  I do however worry about some people with mental health issues masking them from home, when colleagues would pick up on issues in person and support could be offered.

I have also experienced how newly qualified members of staff have struggled through the distance that WFH creates. When I was a new starter you learned so much from those informal conversations in the kitchen or directly observing a colleague deal with something or take a phone call. We also have found that some people don’t want to get involved with student training as they have to come in the office which to me is detrimental. I know colleagues will say they can save money in childcare (although not convinced everyone is productive looking after kids at the same time as working) and travel but I think at times it can border on selfishness if you aren’t giving others the opportunity and support you had.

Overall I favour some kind of hybrid model, but it’s definitely not an all or nothing argument for me.

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Do you not think that there might be a genuine rise in MH problems that we should be addressing or all they all clever scammers? 

I would think that as our understanding of mental health problems has improved (although a long way to go) that more are diagnosed and offered support, where previously they would have been considered awkward and just moved on. I have no doubt this causes increased sick days, but not convinced this is a terrible thing.

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Do you not think that there might be a genuine rise in MH problems that we should be addressing or all they all clever scammers? 

no one of my generation could have got away with saying they found working too stressful, and seeing that the govt say most claiming pip are for MH problems i reckon there's a lot of scammers, like most benefits once people discovered how to exploit them, they got exploited.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

I think you really don’t know what you’re talking about and maybe should have a little more consideration considering you presumably receive PIP yourself (which you’re obviously justified to be getting to confirm)

like any system yes it is vulnerable to abuse in small numbers but the tories have been in power for 14 years, the DWP are hardly renowned for being soft touches are they 

the govt admit that most pip claimants are for mh problems, I've never met someone who genuinely cant work cos its too stressful (pull yourself together lad, no income is more stressful) but I've met plenty too disabled to work.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

you got a source for this?

 

the govt have released this info and its been reported in the papers, some of us take an interest in what's going on, some don't.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

It really isn't that easy. This is Daily Mail level BS.

from a quick google i see there's loads of articles for how to do it, i supposed people did those articles  cos no no-one is doing it.

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

the govt admit that most pip claimants are for mh problems, I've never met someone who genuinely cant work cos its too stressful (pull yourself together lad, no income is more stressful) but I've met plenty too disabled to work.

Well now you have … me 

[fraybentos1]

12 minutes ago, Neil said:

no one of my generation could have got away with saying they found working too stressful

yeah no one in their 50s has ever been off with stress! 

 

[fraybentos1]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

the govt have released this info and its been reported in the papers, some of us take an interest in what's going on, some don't.

i'll take that as a no 🙂 

[fraybentos1]

12 minutes ago, Neil said:

the govt admit that most pip claimants are for mh problems, I've never met someone who genuinely cant work cos its too stressful (pull yourself together lad, no income is more stressful) but I've met plenty too disabled to work.

why are you acting like the only mental health problem is stress?

You're taking one thing and spinning it to suit your narrative.

I could name 10 MH issues off the top of my head that would make you struggle to work. You just keep talking about stress

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

why are you acting like the only mental health problem is stress?

You're taking one thing and spinning it to suit your narrative.

I could name 10 MH issues off the top of my head that would make you struggle to work. You just keep talking about stress

I would also argue stress is a serious issue and often down to overwhelming workload. If previously people just got on with it and made themselves worse, I think it’s positive now that many don’t.

[Crazyfool01]

For a short period of time , I went to work and had fairly big disagreements with one of my colleagues . It caused me fairly big issues with my MH whist at work and also out of work whilst I was thinking about it . It also caused massive anxiety and the shakes . Dr signed me off . I was no use to anyone at work . Fortunately after a few weeks things eased . 

[Ryan1984]

4 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I would also argue stress is a serious issue and often down to overwhelming workload. If previously people just got on with it and made themselves worse, I think it’s positive now that many don’t.

This is a big problem all round. The ‘Brexit Generation’ just can’t face that things have improved for so many newer workers. They still hate that the pandemic gave everyone a glimpse of how easily many office jobs can be done from home after they commuted for 40+ years etc. A lot of bitterness and resentment.

[fraybentos1]

9 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I would also argue stress is a serious issue and often down to overwhelming workload. If previously people just got on with it and made themselves worse, I think it’s positive now that many don’t.

Yeah defo , it is one of many issues though. I find it insulting that Neil is taking the attitude of 'this wouldn't happen in my generation' when i personally know many 50/ 60 year olds who have been signed off with stress

[mattiloy]

57 minutes ago, Neil said:

the govt admit that most pip claimants are for mh problems, I've never met someone who genuinely cant work cos its too stressful (pull yourself together lad, no income is more stressful) but I've met plenty too disabled to work.

https://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/benefits-assessments-making-people-with-mental-health-problems-more-unwell-mind-research-reveals/

 

Quite difficult to find stats on it but found a source in the above article - seems like its quite a lot less than most.

I just checked, for stress you get 600 quid a month… of course you’ll get the odd chancer, but it seems unlikely to me that a majority of claimants will be putting it on for the princely sum of 600 quid a month.

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

the govt admit that most pip claimants are for mh problems, I've never met someone who genuinely cant work cos its too stressful (pull yourself together lad, no income is more stressful) but I've met plenty too disabled to work.

I'm late 50's and II've known a few. When I was young a neighbour never left the house and never worked. Back then he was desribed as bad with his nerves. Another friends older brother had a severer MH problen and never worked. My nephew was in a secure home with schizophrenia as a late teenager and has never worked. I've had several work colleagues medically retired for stress.  As for pull yourself together, in the last 5 years 3 men I know (who all worked) have killed themselves.

[mattiloy]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I think Sweden closed high schools and Unis...

Covid lockdowns were most probably a factor, keeping young people isolated can't be good, but there is a lot of other stuff going on too.  I expect the future looks pretty bleak for many young people at moment - and they're just getting blasted with addictive and sometimes very damaging social media crap constantly.

Schools were mostly open.

But yeah kids here also get depressed.

Social media execs dont let their kids on it for good reason. The correlation between this sh*t being embedded in kids lives and the collective mental breakdown of a generation of kids is near perfect. I think its just so easy to detach yourself from reality and just sit and ruminate. I guess the pandemic exacerbates that, but its a problem that predates it too.

[Neil]

3 hours ago, mattiloy said:

https://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/benefits-assessments-making-people-with-mental-health-problems-more-unwell-mind-research-reveals/

 

Quite difficult to find stats on it but found a source in the above article - seems like its quite a lot less than most.

I just checked, for stress you get 600 quid a month… of course you’ll get the odd chancer, but it seems unlikely to me that a majority of claimants will be putting it on for the princely sum of 600 quid a month.

You can get UC as well as pip UC can be another £180 pm total is much more than most people think benefits will pay 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, mattiloy said:

I just checked, for stress you get 600 quid a month…

i dunno how the amounts are worked, but top level pip pays £750pm (and that can be got without a face2face assessment) just filling in the forms, here's betting that there's info out there for what you need to put to get top wack.

[fraybentos1]

7 hours ago, Neil said:

i dunno how the amounts are worked, but top level pip pays £750pm (and that can be got without a face2face assessment) just filling in the forms, here's betting that there's info out there for what you need to put to get top wack.

Still not enough to live on though is it. Even if you include UC you’re talking like a grand a month? Assuming they can even get top PIP- hardly seems worth it?

[steviewevie]

Good idea, or stupid waste of time and energy on focus group type policy making?