UK Politics

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It's not as simple as you're making out 

essentially it is, needs a history alongside it but that can be made up in similar ways.

[lazyred]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

numbers have increased recently...it isn't just due to pension age increasing...

Wont that be partly demographics? the baby boom in the early 60's are now in their 60's. The other reason is the people in their 60's don't die as much they just get ill

Edited February 18, 2024 by lazyred
wrong arguement

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Now you really are making up nonsense.

The Greens are as far from Authoratarian as you can get - maybe if you read their policies and website rather than just presuming based on Right Wing media stories you would know.

i know they're not likely to win in bristol at the ge, reckon their vote will be lower than last ge. labour look like the sane party now, and those switchers will vote for sanity.

[Crazyfool01]

Anyone would think there might be huge numbers on nhs waiting lists , decimated mental health services and people suffering long covid 

[lazyred]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Now you really are making up nonsense.

The Greens are as far from Authoratarian as you can get - maybe if you read their policies and website rather than just presuming based on Right Wing media stories you would know.

Cancelling the people you disagree with is not liberal. The Greens are now losing cases of discrimination against people with legal gender ciritical views.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Wont that be demographics? the baby boom in the early 60's are now in their 60's. Has the proportion of 50-64 with ill health gone up?

don't know...this is just economic inactivity for age groups...

from Employment in the UK - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk) 

[lost]

4 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Wont that be partly demographics?

Apparently not. The majority added post/during lockdowns are a combination of young people with anxiety and Work from home types with a bad back (probably bent over a laptop on the sofa for 18 months)

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Wont that be demographics? the baby boom in the early 60's are now in their 60's. Has the proportion of 50-64 with ill health gone up?

biggest group of pip claimers are younger and citing mental health for why they can't work. theres a higher proportion of oldies cos people are living longer, and a fact of being old often means a person can't work. biggest factor i reckon is the way my generation were sold the idea of retiring at 55 

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Anyone would think there might be huge numbers on nhs waiting lists , decimated mental health services and people suffering long covid 

the people i know suffering bad long covid are still working.

[steviewevie]

loads of graphs...

from Sickness absence in the UK labour market - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk) 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

loads of graphs...

from Sickness absence in the UK labour market - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk) 

cant see the ages on that graph - but people won't report sick once they retire.

[steviewevie]

and...

 

[lost]

Biggest issues are mental health for young people, then the bad backs kick in around late 30's to 40's before cardiovascular issues take the lead for over 50's.

The last two could be linked to the move from industrial/manufacturing economies to service sector. People sat behind desks all day and not moving.

The mental health in young people is a concern for both parties though. Apparently the current generation of 16 - 34 year olds as as likely to be too ill to work as 45 to 54 year olds 10 years ago.

 

 

[fraybentos1]

24 minutes ago, Neil said:

biggest group of pip claimers are younger and citing mental health for why they can't work.

 

you got a source for this?

 

[kaosmark2]

52 minutes ago, Neil said:

yeah just add "mental health" and it is that easy - pays better than pensions as well.

It really isn't that easy. This is Daily Mail level BS.

[lazyred]

7 minutes ago, lost said:

The mental health in young people is a concern for both parties though. Apparently the current generation of 16 - 34 year olds as as likely to be too ill to work as 45 to 54 year olds 10 years ago.

 

 

Is this worse in the UK or the same in Europe/US?

[lost]

2 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Is this worse in the UK or the same in Europe/US?

Havent a clue. I'd be interested to see the numbers vs say Sweden who didn't lock young people up.

[Neil]

21 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

It really isn't that easy. This is Daily Mail level BS.

No not that easy -  like any scam it needs to be worked with intelligence.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, lost said:

Havent a clue. I'd be interested to see the numbers vs say Sweden who didn't lock young people up.

I think Sweden closed high schools and Unis...

Covid lockdowns were most probably a factor, keeping young people isolated can't be good, but there is a lot of other stuff going on too.  I expect the future looks pretty bleak for many young people at moment - and they're just getting blasted with addictive and sometimes very damaging social media crap constantly.

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, Neil said:

No not that easy -  like any scam it needs to be worked with intelligence.

Wonder if you’d say that to a couple of my colleagues parents that we’ve sadly lost to mental health in the last few years . 

[fraybentos1]

11 minutes ago, Neil said:

No not that easy -  like any scam it needs to be worked with intelligence.

I think you really don’t know what you’re talking about and maybe should have a little more consideration considering you presumably receive PIP yourself (which you’re obviously justified to be getting to confirm)

like any system yes it is vulnerable to abuse in small numbers but the tories have been in power for 14 years, the DWP are hardly renowned for being soft touches are they 

[steviewevie]

Ok, defending Neil again, which isn't always easy...it has become easier to diagnose mental health issues over recent years as these things have become more understood, we now have more people being diagnosed with autism/asd or adhd for example...and these things would have been there before but now we have a diagnosis/label and an understanding that people with these conditions can't help it...and now with depression and/or anxiety we have more labels that people can help explain how they feel and get help for. Like with PTSD, this is not a new thing, but a condition. They once called it shell shock or whatever, but now it is understood much more. I don't know, it's a very complex area and I'm really not qualified, but my kid has struggled with her mental health through her adolescent years and has made me think about my own mental health, and basically I have self medicated with drugs and drink since my mid teens and now it has become obvious I am a functioning alcoholic. The human mind is complicated, whether diagnosing these conditions more is better or not I don't know, probably is I guess...but we need to get better as societies at helping people get through it...because societies need people to function, work and be productive, but they also need them to be healthy and happy.

Right, need another drink after that.

[stuie]

50 minutes ago, Neil said:

No not that easy -  like any scam it needs to be worked with intelligence.

Do you not think that there might be a genuine rise in MH problems that we should be addressing or all they all clever scammers? 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]