UK Politics

[fraybentos1]

13 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I find it crazy how people talk about how dangerous coalitions are, when in fact the Tory and Labour parties are in themselves coalitions of a huge range of views, so they can govern in FPTP.

It’s always the tories that bang on about stable governments etc then they went running to the DUP in 2017 to keep them in power.

up here in Scotland there’s only been one majority ever so every gov has been a collation or minority gov or something inbetween. No gov has even collapsed and there’s never had to be an early election 

[kaosmark2]

20 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It’s always the tories that bang on about stable governments etc then they went running to the DUP in 2017 to keep them in power.

up here in Scotland there’s only been one majority ever so every gov has been a collation or minority gov or something inbetween. No gov has even collapsed and there’s never had to be an early election 

Yeah exactly. And on top of that, the Tories are the ones that most typically are fighting to placate their own rebels.

I think there's just a lot of crazy short-termist thinking when it comes to opposing electoral reform. If we get the correct system, it should actually stop the alternation of red/blue clicking the undo button on what the other did.

[Neil]

24 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It’s always the tories that bang on about stable governments etc then they went running to the DUP in 2017 to keep them in power.

up here in Scotland there’s only been one majority ever so every gov has been a collation or minority gov or something inbetween. No gov has even collapsed and there’s never had to be an early election 

Greens in Govt hasn't lead to lots of good green policies. And the coalitions have made Scots feel badly govered.perhaps thats just Scots governing scots.

[mattiloy]

51 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I find it crazy how people talk about how dangerous coalitions are, when in fact the Tory and Labour parties are in themselves coalitions of a huge range of views, so they can govern in FPTP.

Exactly. Cameron had the backing of less than half of tory MPs for the gay marriage bill. 

The current tory minister for women’s health is vocally anti abortion.

Lee Anderson, until recently the tory vice chair, is an advocate for reinstituting the death penalty and called for migrants to ’f**k off back to France’.

[mattiloy]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

Greens in Govt hasn't lead to lots of good green policies. And the coalitions have made Scots feel badly govered.perhaps thats just Scots governing scots.

Why do you hate scottish people so much? Seems personal. Have you been spurned by a lover who had it away with a big scotts porridge oats type fella?

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Why have you included Greens in that list of far right racist parties?

For the lols and trolls...and the eco facsists.

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

Greens in Govt hasn't lead to lots of good green policies. And the coalitions have made Scots feel badly govered.perhaps thats just Scots governing scots.

that’s irrelevant to the point I was making 

there was 2 lab lib coalitions between 99 and 07 too and my point was about stability of gov in PR systems 

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

Greens in Govt hasn't lead to lots of good green policies. And the coalitions have made Scots feel badly govered.

I don’t think you have the faintest idea about what policies are being implanted up here 

you get your info from wings over Scotland Neil, a mad man and fringe commentator 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Why do you hate scottish people so much? Seems personal. Have you been spurned by a lover who had it away with a big scotts porridge oats type fella?

 don't hate scots i just hate the indie thing its as tarntan toryism, and as  intellectually solid as trumpism, or kipperism, I'm against stupid politics wherever it isand whoever its by

[Neil]

39 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

that’s irrelevant to the point I was making 

there was 2 lab lib coalitions between 99 and 07 too and my point was about stability of gov in PR systems 

ok, and the point of pr, if it leads to good govt, why isn't it working in scotland???

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

For the lols and trolls...and the eco facsists.

they're quite an aythoritan party, happy to take tax avoided money.

[stuie]

6 hours ago, Neil said:

Lots of people using illness for early retirement.

It’s almost like there’s a certain age where people tend to get sick and can’t work anymore - something that can’t be decided by governments changing their policies to suit.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

It’s almost like there’s a certain age where people tend to get sick and can’t work anymore - something that can’t be decided by governments changing their policies to suit.

its almost like i know these situations myself, wasn't a problem with previous generations - grafters at all ages.

[stuie]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

its almost like i know these situations myself, wasn't a problem with previous generations - grafters at all ages.

But when you increase the pension age, more people are going to fall ill and end up in that bracket of too sick to work, too young to retire. 

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

But when you increase the pension age, more people are going to fall ill and end up in that bracket of too sick to work, too young to retire. 

then the only answer is for you and your cohorts to work harder, so people like me can have an idle life. 🙂 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Neil said:

its almost like i know these situations myself, wasn't a problem with previous generations - grafters at all ages.

 

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

But when you increase the pension age, more people are going to fall ill and end up in that bracket of too sick to work, too young to retire. 

numbers have increased recently...it isn't just due to pension age increasing...

[Neil]

3 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

It’s always the tories that bang on about stable governments etc then they went running to the DUP in 2017 to keep them in power.

up here in Scotland there’s only been one majority ever so every gov has been a collation or minority gov or something inbetween. No gov has even collapsed and there’s never had to be an early election 

iron grip on power and no one is held to account. anyone seen sturgeon lately?

[Neil]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

numbers have increased recently...it isn't just due to pension age increasing...

the benefit system - the way pip is done, makes long term sick attractive. all you have to do (not my own case) is say you can't face going to work

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

the benefit system - the way pip is done, makes long term sick attractive. all you have to do (not my own case) is say you can't face going to work

Oh, well I can't face going to work...is it really that easy?

[Neil]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Oh, well I can't face going to work...is it really that easy?

yeah just add "mental health" and it is that easy - pays better than pensions as well.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

yeah just add "mental health" and it is that easy - pays better than pensions as well.

ok, brilliant. Don't need something called a diagnosis...?

[Neil]

Just now, steviewevie said:

ok, brilliant. Don't need something called a diagnosis...?

in that world you make it up for yourself, no one can say with certainty what you're feeling.

[fraybentos1]

54 minutes ago, Neil said:

ok, and the point of pr, if it leads to good govt, why isn't it working in scotland???

when did i say it leads to good government? I said it makes people's votes count

[Neil]

Just now, fraybentos1 said:

when did i say it leads to good government? I said it makes people's votes count

count for what? what better outcome is achieved?

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

in that world you make it up for yourself, no one can say with certainty what you're feeling.

It's not as simple as you're making out