Headliners 2023

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

I think I will have to issue you a yellow card for the staying positive challenge

No worries, but I think it'll be a re card when you read the post following that.

[Florian Saucer Attack]

16 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

No worries, but I think it'll be a re card when you read the post following that.

Oh no, I'm not letting you get out of your commitment that easy

[Hugh Jass II]

25 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

Could it be that GnR are the legend slot? I know Neil thinks it’s Roxy Music but they just seem too small/lacking in singalong hits to be right for that slot to me. GnR feel a much better fit for that slot to me given the singalong anthems they have

That way Elton, Dua and GnR could all be on the lineup (assuming AM already locked in). 

GnR would not play any spot other than headliner.

[henry bear]

2 hours ago, Chrisp1986 said:

So where has Elton gone?

He's still standing

[kalifire]

4 hours ago, Matt42 said:

- Roughbloke heard two sets of headliners AM, GNR, Elton and AM, GNR, Taylor. AM and GNR look to be the consistent.
- GNR rumoured for PinkPop (Netherlands), Frienze Rocks (Italy) the week before Glastonbury.
- People on festileaks (European efests equivalent) are openly discussing GNR as being active on the European festival circuit.
- Media articles
- Bookies odds
- and the best source in the AM (who leaks absolutely everything AM related) is saying they are headlining the Friday.

If you are looking for absolute concrete evidence, no we don’t. We can’t source the contracts or get it straight from Glastonbury. But that’s not the standard we have to aim for. We’ve all been doing this for a while and know the signs to spot when discussing likely headliners. It just looks more and more like they are lining up a European festival tour and there is a UK festival date in that. They aren’t at Download, IOW, BST, or whatever. 

To me it looks like a done deal.

Ok, so going though that list…

- Roughbloke who already got at least one of his predictions wrong
- A rumour based on other rumours 
- A mere discussion on another forum 
- People writing stuff on the internet
- Bookmakers
- Hearsay from someone on the internet 

You say there are signs. I say you’re reaching. Most of the things you’ve pointed to aren’t sources at all.

I’m not saying GnR aren’t headlining. I’m saying we have no good reason to think they are, let alone thinking they’re a “lock”. 

[tigger123]

6 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

GnR would not play any spot other than headliner.

Why not? The legend slot is pretty much a fourth headliner these days, some might argue it actually gets more coverage than some of the headliners. Legend slot usually broadcast on bbc one, the headliners often on bbc2

[Matt42]

11 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Ok, so going though that list…

- Roughbloke who already got at least one of his predictions wrong
- A rumour based on other rumours 
- A mere discussion on another forum 
- People writing stuff on the internet
- Bookmakers
- Hearsay from someone on the internet 

You say there are signs. I say you’re reaching. Most of the things you’ve pointed to aren’t sources at all.

I’m not saying GnR aren’t headlining. I’m saying we have no good reason to think they are, let alone thinking they’re a “lock”. 

I think you’re expecting a very high standard of info from a rumour board. I’m not a massive fan of them either, but I can admit that they look a hella lot more likely than some of the headliners I would prefer.

[MrFestivals]

Double post

Edited November 19, 2022 by MrFestivals
Double post

[MrFestivals]

They're talking about GnR for Pinkpop on Festileaks because the GnR rumors on Efestivals in Glasto Chat. One of the main reasons (next to the gig in Glasgow they need to reschedule) they expect that GnR will appear at Pinkpop is because of that comment here that said they will be at Glastonbury.

Edited November 19, 2022 by MrFestivals

[thewayiam]

3 hours ago, dotdash79 said:

Do you think the festival is purposely driving it that way or it’s just being dragged there by the attendees?

I think it's the former unfortunately. I don't think it ever needed to go that way and never was that way. It's a primarily non profit festival that sells every year. It does not need to jump on any 'bandwagons' so to speak to sell to a trend or promote it.

It will get a worse attendee by doing it though. I've been saying this for a few years though. As much as if I had a ticket great, a few years back I'd have been much more gutted whereas now I kind of just accept that if I fail in either of the sales then I do. I'll go elsewhere.

1 hour ago, Sorcha17 said:

If it is AM, GNR & Reg in 2023, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dua in 2024.

Taylor, Dua, Blur in 2024?

 

 

That is my bet. They have certainly chose to cash in this year for a far less substantial outing. I wouldn't be surprised if they did Glastonbury as a only Worldwide show or something

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

Well on it's way, sadly.

yup

[clasher]

17 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Ok, so going though that list…

- Roughbloke who already got at least one of his predictions wrong
- A rumour based on other rumours 
- A mere discussion on another forum 
- People writing stuff on the internet
- Bookmakers
- Hearsay from someone on the internet 

You say there are signs. I say you’re reaching. Most of the things you’ve pointed to aren’t sources at all.

I’m not saying GnR aren’t headlining. I’m saying we have no good reason to think they are, let alone thinking they’re a “lock”. 

We should really differentiate better between predictions, rumours and wishes. Roughbloke predicted nothing. He relayed a rumour of a supposedly reliable source. IIRC the first trio he heard was AM, Tay, Elton. Then he heard Tay pulled out and was being replaced by GnR. At the moment swift is out and the GnR dates are shaping up in favour of this rumour. The info could still be right, or it could've been right at the time, but something changed since. It's sadly the most concrete rumour we've had apart from AM. And yes, GnR are far from locked in and apart from an odd rumour and glasto shaped holes, there's really nothing to base predictions on.

[Hugh Jass II]

I think GnR have as much chance as anyone else at this stage.

We have no concrete information on any of them right now.

[CaledonianGonzo]

22 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

Why not? The legend slot is pretty much a fourth headliner these days, some might argue it actually gets more coverage than some of the headliners. Legend slot usually broadcast on bbc one, the headliners often on bbc2

It may be a fourth headliner - or close to it - but the idea is that it's smooth, nostalgic meander down memory lane, not a slot for anyone who's big enough.

[Hugh Jass II]

23 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

Why not? The legend slot is pretty much a fourth headliner these days, some might argue it actually gets more coverage than some of the headliners. Legend slot usually broadcast on bbc one, the headliners often on bbc2

Because I doubt they would see it as such. They’d more likely see three names above them on the bill.

Also, they might take a reduced headliner fee, but no way they’re taking a Sunday afternoon one.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

1 minute ago, thewayiam said:

I think it's the former unfortunately. I don't think it ever needed to go that way and never was that way. It's a primarily non profit festival that sells every year. It does not need to jump on any 'bandwagons' so to speak to sell to a trend or promote it.

It will get a worse attendee by doing it though. I've been saying this for a few years though. As much as if I had a ticket great, a few years back I'd have been much more gutted whereas now I kind of just accept that if I fail in either of the sales then I do. I'll go elsewhere.

That is my bet. They have certainly chose to cash in this year for a far less substantial outing. I wouldn't be surprised if they did Glastonbury as a only Worldwide show or something

yup

The festival is evolving in line with cultural and societal trends but for me the ethos and atmosphere remain unchanged. Like everything that evolves, it's either for you and you're on board or it's not, and you aren't. My time at the festival is coming to an end because I feel I've rinsed everything out of it that I want. It's hard to criticise evolution. It's inevitable. 

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

I think GnR have as much chance as anyone else at this stage.

We have no concrete information on any of them right now.

I don’t think it’s quite equal chances though! 
 

And we’ve had some concrete info on AM. The best source in the game for AM news (the mod of their forum) has said it’s in. He’s even shared that Glasto will be the only night of the tour that has strings.

[tigger123]

Just now, CaledonianGonzo said:

It may be a fourth headliner - or close to it - but the idea is that it's smooth, nostalgic meander down memory lane, not a slot for anyone who's big enough.

There are few more nostalgic songs than sweet child of mine. Played at basically every wedding, everyone gets their air guitar out etc, I think they fill the legend slot brief pretty perfectly.

I’m not convinced they will do the legend slot to be clear but having initially dismissed it as a possibility, the more I think about it, the more I think they would be a good fit for it, especially as them being a headliner just doesn’t feel quite right to me (and others based on some of the comments on this thread)

[clasher]

GnR doing the legends slot would be perfect really, cutting down their setlist to pretty much all singalong bangers, while leaving the headline spot to someone better and/or more relevant.No chance it's happening though.

Edited November 19, 2022 by clasher

[tigger123]

2 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

Because I doubt they would see it as such. They’d more likely see three names above them on the bill.

Also, they might take a reduced headliner fee, but no way they’re taking a Sunday afternoon one.

But again why? I’ve just said about the exposure piece being bigger for the legends slot and this is often touted on here as the reason for why acts accept a lower fee. Add into that Slash has done Glastonbury before (in the afternoon may I add) and seemed to enjoy it, I’m not so convinced they would turn the legends slot down. It’s not as if they’re bursting with new material is it, a clear reason why they should be viewed as legends rather than headliners 

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, tigger123 said:

There are few more nostalgic songs than sweet child of mine. Played at basically every wedding, everyone gets their air guitar out etc, I think they fill the legend slot brief pretty perfectly.

Nah. To expand - its sentimental, easy listening, Radio 2 type music. It's also the Teatime Slot - music to enjoy while you relax. The whole point originally was acts that Jean Eavis might have liked.

[thewayiam]

10 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

The festival is evolving in line with cultural and societal trends but for me the ethos and atmosphere remain unchanged. Like everything that evolves, it's either for you and you're on board or it's not, and you aren't. My time at the festival is coming to an end because I feel I've rinsed everything out of it that I want. It's hard to criticise evolution. It's inevitable. 

I'm not because I don't believe certain things are needed but that's my view and we'll all have one. The festival has heavily changed since Michael was the main one in charge. While decent acts have been booked under Emily, generally I don't think it's on as good a path as it once was.

But so be it, I will move on to other things. One I'd like to be there, but two, next year isn't the worst year personally for me due to family things etc for me to not be going.

[tigger123]

10 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Nah. To expand - its sentimental, easy listening, Radio 2 type music. It's also the Teatime Slot - music to enjoy while you relax. The whole point originally was acts that Jean Eavis might have liked.

 But we keep saying that the pool of legends is severely drying up. The slot needs freshening up at some point, much like when Jay Z was booked has revolutionised the potential glasto headliner pool. I remember seeing a list on here the other day, there were 2 names I can’t remember who remained as those who hadn’t done it. That doesn’t even take us up to the next fallow year. 
 

To me it would seem the perfect year to freshen it up, as if Elton is playing he can satisfy the radio 2 type listeners

Edited November 19, 2022 by tigger123

[CaledonianGonzo]

3 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

I'm not because I don't believe certain things are needed but that's my view and we'll all have one. The festival has heavily changed since Michael was the main one in charge. While decent acts have been booked under Emily, generally I don't think it's on as good a path as it once was.

Anyone who claims there's a deterioration has to accept the fact that they're trying to tell us that the 1980s model - when Van Morrison and Elvis Costello took turns headlining - was preferable to the current 'booking the biggest acts on the planet' strategy.

[Matt42]

I do agree that the legend slot should get a shake up, but I don’t think Guns quite fit. They are a comfortable headliner and stadium seller in Europe. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

4 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

 But we keep saying that the pool of legends is severely drying up. The slot needs freshening up at some point, much like when Jay Z was booked has revolutionised the potential glasto headliner pool. I remember seeing a list on here the other day, I think it was Neil diamond and one other I can’t remember who remained as those who hadn’t done it. That doesn’t even take us up to the next fallow year. 

Kylie was the great refreshening, paving the way for the likes of Robbie Williams to do it.