Headliners 2023

[BenG92]

9 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

The whole point of the Sheeran comparison, which I thought was obvious, was that he headlined the same year the Foos did. If he was being rumoured for this summer then every single person on here would be up in arms saying it's too soon and his set would be largely the same as the last one, nobody would think it a likely or good booking. Yet some are saying it hasn't been too soon for the Foos...

I only see the argument because Coldplay had two new albums between each of their planned 5/6 year gaps, where Foos and Ed have only had the one.

That being said young Sheeran's last album has two songs with over a billion plays on Spotify. Not the only metric etc. but that's still insane and his return wouldn't be shocking or upsetting at all aside from the fact that daily music forum users probably aren't massive fans

[Jose Pose]

10 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Well that's my point - people would be more shocked if Sheeran was rumoured, but's that is because everyone, including you, figured it would be a one and done. And everyone, including you, figures Foos will headline again at some point. That's why it's a disingenuous comparison.

You're correct in what you're saying - people would be more up in arms if Sheeran was rumoured, but it'd be because he was coming back at all, not because it's been such a short period of time. (Although I'll give you, they'd use the time period as a way to deny it's happening, just like folk who don't Foos are doing right now).

I’m ambivalent to Foos, I neither particularly dislike them or like them, I would however prefer to see them over GnR, unlike most people who seem to be pushing for them. But they would be an objectively awful booking, because only two festivals have elapsed since their last appearance and in that time we have a backlog of three years when the festival couldn’t book anyone at all, couple that with the fact it would also mean they’d have no female headliners, but would be going back to white male guitar band with nothing notable since their last performance, to give them their 2nd headline slot in 4 festivals and it’s a booking that is nonsensical and is unlikely and equal measure.

Just because they rearranged their gig from 2015 it doesn’t necessarily make them friends of the festival, that is just a normal business transaction, but even if they are friends of the festival, it isn’t a friendship the festival have any requirement to lean on for all the reasons above, so it’s an irrelevant point.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Jose Pose

[chazwwe]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

everyone is always right if they can claim their wrongs as "just a prediction".

It was LITTERAY in a reply to ' who do you think will headline'.

 

That has nothing to do with getting info off a source. How do you still not understand this. It's been months.

 

If I said ' I think Taylor Swift will headline next year'. Then Emily Eavis tells me all 3 headliners and it's not Taylor. That has no impact on what I originally thought, because it's a guess.

Edited January 12, 2023 by chazwwe

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, chazwwe said:

It was LITTERAY in a reply to ' who do you think will headline'.

 

That has nothing to do with getting info off a source. How do you still not understand this. It's been months.

 

If I said ' I think Taylor Swift will headline next year'. Then Emily Eavis tells me all 3 headliners and it's not Taylor. That has no impact on what I originally thought, because it's a guess.

everyone is always right if they can claim their wrongs as "just a prediction".

[Supermerv]

I'd be onboard for Slipknot as a headliner!

[Jose Pose]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

everyone is always right if they can claim their wrongs as "just a prediction".

Do you understand the difference between saying I’ve heard, and saying I think?

[DeanoL]

Just now, Jose Pose said:

I’m ambivalent to Foos, I neither particularly dislike them or like them, I would however styler see them over GnR. But they would be an objectively awful booking, because only two festivals have elapsed since their last appearance and in that time we have a backlog of three years when the festival couldn’t book anyone at all, couple that with the fact it would also mean they’d have no female headliners, but would be going back to white male guitar band to give them their 2nd headline slot in 4 festivals and it’s a booking that is nonsensical and is unlikely and equal measure.

Just because they rearranged their gig from it doesn’t necessarily make them friends of the festival, that is just a normal business transaction, but even if they are friends of the festival, it isn’t a friendship the festival have any requirement to lean on for all the reasons above, so it’s an irrelevant point.

There's a couple of ways things go with what happened to the Foos in 2015, when a big act pulls out last minute. The first is that the agent emails the festival and says "due to unforeseen circumstances, the act will no longer be available" and you're left to deal with it. Shit happens, it's fine, it's just a business transaction, as you say. You get on with it. 

The second way is that the act calls up the promoter and goes "Look, we have a problem. We can't play. What can we do to help?" - by all accounts, it went much more the second way. The first way is fine but you don't then go arrange a gig at the Cheese and Grain for them and stuff. You can still book them again when relevant but you don't go out of your way (see: Kylie). Crisis like those can actually really bond people together.

You're right it'd be a naff booking, but then so is Arctic Monkeys for most of the same reasons you state. There should be better options out there. I get what you're saying. But that backlog we've still go an all-white, all-male line up with two guitar bands. Foos aren't a good booking, but they're not much worse than GnR or AM. So assuming that info is accurate (which everyone is doing) - the bar is already set pretty low. This'd be a different discussion if we had Taylor and Dua Lipa as our strongest rumours and then someone went "it might be Foos instead". Then you'd be spot on!

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, Jose Pose said:

Do you understand the difference between saying I’ve heard, and saying I think?

a nuance that was missing from what he posted.

[Jose Pose]

11 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

There's a couple of ways things go with what happened to the Foos in 2015, when a big act pulls out last minute. The first is that the agent emails the festival and says "due to unforeseen circumstances, the act will no longer be available" and you're left to deal with it. Shit happens, it's fine, it's just a business transaction, as you say. You get on with it. 

The second way is that the act calls up the promoter and goes "Look, we have a problem. We can't play. What can we do to help?" - by all accounts, it went much more the second way. The first way is fine but you don't then go arrange a gig at the Cheese and Grain for them and stuff. You can still book them again when relevant but you don't go out of your way (see: Kylie). Crisis like those can actually really bond people together.

You're right it'd be a naff booking, but then so is Arctic Monkeys for most of the same reasons you state. There should be better options out there. I get what you're saying. But that backlog we've still go an all-white, all-male line up with two guitar bands. Foos aren't a good booking, but they're not much worse than GnR or AM. So assuming that info is accurate (which everyone is doing) - the bar is already set pretty low. This'd be a different discussion if we had Taylor and Dua Lipa as our strongest rumours and then someone went "it might be Foos instead". Then you'd be spot on!

AM is only a naff booking if you don’t like them, or prefer the Foos over them, which is somewhat contradictory to the point you’ve been trying to make.

If you simply view AM and Foos objectively as two bands, AM is an infinitely better booking, least not because they haven’t headlined for a decade.

Of course if you bring personal taste into the equation then you’ll bend the criteria to make the band you prefer the least into a naff booking.

Dave Grohl broke his leg, it was public knowledge and the incident was filmed and seen by everyone, they didn’t just randomly pull out of the festival, I’m pretty sure Glastonbury aren’t idiots and would’ve likely turned round and said “tough, you still have to play” or “sorry, you can’t come back again”,

Foos agreed to play Glastonbury for reasons that suited them as much as Glastonbury, Dave Grohl breaks his leg, publicly, while performing, both parties agree rearrange for mutual benefit. It’s literally as simple as that. Unless Glastonbury are run by chimps the outcome was inevitable.

You’re really over overcomplicating a very simple and obvious situation.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Jose Pose

[stuie]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

a nuance that was missing from what he posted.

yawn.

[gfa]

12 minutes ago, Jose Pose said:

AM is only a naff booking if you don’t like them, or prefer the Foos over them, which is somewhat contradictory to the point you’ve been trying to make.

If you simply view AM and Foos objectively as two bands, AM is an infinitely better booking, least not because they haven’t headlined for a decade.

Of course if you bring personal taste into the equation then you’ll bend the criteria to make the band you prefer the least into a naff booking.

Dave Grohl broke his leg, it was public knowledge and the incident was filmed and seen by everyone, they didn’t just randomly pull out of the festival, I’m pretty sure Glastonbury aren’t idiots and would’ve likely turned round and said “tough, you still have to play” or “sorry, you can’t come back again”,

Foos agreed to play Glastonbury for reasons that suited them as much as Glastonbury, Dave Grohl breaks his leg, publicly, while performing, both parties agree rearrange for mutual benefit. It’s literally as simple as that. Unless Glastonbury are run by chimps the outcome was inevitable.

You’re really over overcomplicating a very simple and obvious situation.

I much prefer AM but their live show is poor compared to other bands - its a common opinion to think this. Very understandable people would prefer Foos based on that.

Foos clearly aren't back regardless.

[Homer]

6 hours ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

 

[Jose Pose]

2 minutes ago, gfa said:

I much prefer AM but their live show is poor compared to other bands - its a common opinion to think this. Very understandable people would prefer Foos based on that.

Foos clearly aren't back regardless.

Yeah but that’s my point, saying AM is a naff booking is based on not liking them. Objectively AM aren’t a naff booking compared to Foos if you view them both as Pyramid headlining worthy bands, in that respect AM arent a naff booking by comparison.

But agreed, Foos clearly aren’t back, which is why I find all the tenuous reaching such as them being supposed friends of the festival very tedious.

[gfa]

Just now, Jose Pose said:

Yeah but that’s my point, saying AM is a naff booking is based on not liking them. Objectively AM aren’t a naff booking compared to Foos if you view them both as Pyramid headlining worthy bands, in that respect AM arent a naff booking by comparison.

But agreed, Foos clearly aren’t back, which is why I find all the tenuous reaching such as them being supposed friends of the festival very tedious.

Ah I get you

Agreed on friends of festival too - i'm sure they get along but the relationship is nowhere near say chris martin, fatboy etc

[BenG92]

AM have sold out something like 8 stadiums, 3 parks and 2 arenas with more still selling. They are the #1 booking Glasto could make this year with Elton, even if some of us will be staying away. 

[ghostdancer1]

23 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

A dude with a v short posting history.

And Neil, who thinks his source for FF/U2 is more solid than GnR:

On 1/11/2023 at 8:33 AM, Neil said:

On 1/11/2023 at 8:30 AM, stuie said:

They wouldn’t. Where’s the proof they are booked again? 

its with a more-proven source than gnr is.

On 1/11/2023 at 8:17 AM, Neil said:

On 1/11/2023 at 8:14 AM, CaledonianGonzo said:

People are suggesting that U2 or the Foo Fighters do the Legends Slot and that Bono headliners the Acoustic Tent with a book reading

i.e. January Cabin Fever has well and truly set in.

i think one of them is more likely to be a gnr replacement, after glasto realised how bad it is.

 

 

[Ayrshire Chris]

20 minutes ago, gfa said:

Ah I get you

Agreed on friends of festival too - i'm sure they get along but the relationship is nowhere near say chris martin, fatboy etc

Or beans on toast who once jumped the fence😉

[Hugh Jass II]

1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

Well that's my point - people would be more shocked if Sheeran was rumoured, but's that is because everyone, including you, figured it would be a one and done. And everyone, including you, figures Foos will headline again at some point. That's why it's a disingenuous comparison.

You're correct in what you're saying - people would be more up in arms if Sheeran was rumoured, but it'd be because he was coming back at all, not because it's been such a short period of time. (Although I'll give you, they'd use the time period as a way to deny it's happening, just like folk who don't Foos are doing right now).

Again, you're missing the point. It's not about being "one and done" and it's certainly not about personal preference. Six years or three festivals is, in my opinion, too short a gap between headline sets for any act, especially when that act has nothing new to offerbeyond what they've already done.

 The headliner pool is vast and diverse, why return so quickly to something that has already been done?

Edited January 12, 2023 by Hugh Jass II

[BenG92]

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

Again, you're missing the point. It's not about being "one and done" and it's certainly not about personal preference. Six years or three festivals is, in my opinion, too short a gap between headline sets for any act, especially when that act has nothing new to offerbeyond what they've already done.

 The headliner pool is vast and diverse, why return so quickly to something that has already been done?

But it is about personal preference when the organisers have demonstrated they're happy to do it. Coldplay numerous times. The Cure in the 90s. Radiohead at the turn of the millennium. 

Maybe the festival has moved on from that, who's to say, not us. But dismissing it when it's happened many times over is a bit daft, especially when as mentioned above Ed Sheeran's dropped a #1 double platinum album since last he played

[Neil]

51 minutes ago, stuie said:

yawn.

True facts, awkward for you.?

[Skip997]

16 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

 The headliner pool is vast and diverse, why return so quickly to something that has already been done?

So why does it look like we're getting one of the least diverse lot of headliners ever?

[Neil]

30 minutes ago, ghostdancer1 said:

And Neil, who thinks his source for FF/U2 is more solid than GnR:

 

 

Do I? 

[stuie]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

True facts, awkward for you.?

Repeated nonsense, boring for me.

[Hugh Jass II]

9 minutes ago, BenG92 said:

But it is about personal preference when the organisers have demonstrated they're happy to do it. Coldplay numerous times. The Cure in the 90s. Radiohead at the turn of the millennium. 

Maybe the festival has moved on from that, who's to say, not us. But dismissing it when it's happened many times over is a bit daft, especially when as mentioned above Ed Sheeran's dropped a #1 double platinum album since last he played

Coldplay and Muse are a strange blind spot for the festival, why they keep coming back is a mystery but even for them it's now been seven years since they last played so it's looking like even they are being phased out a bit.

Looking at recent returning headliners:

• Macca - 18 years between sets
• The Cure - 20/30 years between sets (can't be arsed to check properly)
• The Killers - 12 years between sets
• Radiohead - 14 years between sets
• Coldplay - 5 years
• Muse - 6 years

Looks to me like the festival are being a little pickier now with how quickly they invite acts back, even Arctic Monkeys now have a full decade since they last played.

[FirstGlastoHype]

16 hours ago, Jose Pose said:

Cool story bro, I’m just surprised calling someone a Nonce is seemingly fine for everyone on here.

You are acting a bit Noncey