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2 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

That whole account is basically Confirmation Bias - The Twitter Account


In so far as its selective in what polling it tweets maybe (although it doesnt have to be at the moment, basically any and all polls are not exactly painting Starmer’s Labour in a positive light).

In any case, its still drawn from a yougov poll, not a stats for lefties poll, and yougov are not generally seen as a leftie polling company.

Even if you were to argue that yougov’s methodology was inaccurate, the changes are based on polls done with the same methodology, so (-21) and (+23) amongst 18-24s is probably quite accurate.

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In so far as its selective in what polling it tweets maybe (although it doesnt have to be at the moment, basically any and all polls are not exactly painting Starmer’s Labour in a positive light).

In any case, its still drawn from a yougov poll, not a stats for lefties poll, and yougov are not generally seen as a leftie polling company.

Even if you were to argue that yougov’s methodology was inaccurate, the changes are based on polls done with the same methodology, so (-21) and (+23) amongst 18-24s is probably quite accurate.

Yeah no beef with that poll in particular I just think that the idea of an account that exclusively tweets stats which support their own world view is a bit pointless.

On that poll in particular, I wonder how much of a difference it would make in terms of seat count? Did the labour youth vote change much between 17/19? At work so can't look at the numbers

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2 hours ago, topmarksbri said:

Yeah no beef with that poll in particular I just think that the idea of an account that exclusively tweets stats which support their own world view is a bit pointless.

On that poll in particular, I wonder how much of a difference it would make in terms of seat count? Did the labour youth vote change much between 17/19? At work so can't look at the numbers

Ipsos Mori has it as same % but lower turnout from 17/19 for 18-24. KS certainly won't be increasing turnout, so certainly not a good sign. 

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On 2/21/2021 at 6:55 AM, blutarsky said:

Think this is the most appropriate place for this: 

I wrote it to post as a Twitter thread but didn’t as some of my relatives follow me. 
 

My Dad supports Brexit and votes Tory.

Despite the #BrexitDisaster unfolding before his very eyes, he maintains it’s “best for Britain”. 

On one hand he claims industries aren’t suffering from a devastating barrage of red tape and denies there are any problems occurring because this is fabricated by the MSM. 

On the other, he cites the fact industries such as fishing are in crisis as evidence of the EU’s evil corruption. “That’s the EU doing that mate.”

Fish rotting on dock sides: EU’s fault. 

Exporters struggling to send goods overseas due to non functioning export software and excessive costs: not actually happening. 

The NHS being understaffed due to EU native staff leaving the UK: The EU’s fault in the first place for ‘forcing’ the NHS to be reliant on overseas workers. 

The Tory government rejecting the EU’s offer of visa free travel for performers: the EU being manipulative and spiteful. 

The EU is also being spiteful and “punishing” Britain by sticking to the trade rules agreed in Johnson’s Christmas Eve deal, apparently. 

VdL’s actions over article 16 and vaccines: the EU showing it’s true colours (despite the fact the leaders of EU member states got her to walk back). 

This is normally where people say “now my Dad’s not a stupid man” but I’m not going to. He *is* a stupid man and sadly he’s representative of many people who think of themselves as “intelligent, free thinkers”, despite their obvious lack of cognitive ability. 

He isn’t trying to gaslight me with his statements. He isn’t smart enough for that. He simply believes the first thing he hears on any given subject, which is normally from Farage, Rees-Mogg, Johnson etc via talk radio while he’s behind the wheel of his white van. 

He’s naive enough to believe these people have things in common with him. “They’re good normal people with common sense, not like you, lefty idealists.” 

He doesn’t seem to understand that someone like Rishi Sunak and his £700m personal fortune doesn’t actually have the best interests of a 56-year-old data- communications engineer from the. South West at the forefront of their mind. 

He likes to paint himself as an “individual thinker” who gets his news from a variety of sources, when in fact he just parrots the views of other people who have ulterior motives, without realising there is any motive. 

“I’m open to reading any source,” he says. I bought him a subscription to Private Eye. He’s had a dozen copies and hasn’t read any. 

Any information he dislikes or which doesn’t fit his world view is dismissed. If it’s from me it’s because I’m a “woolly jumpered idealist” who “doesn’t live in the real world”. 

If it’s from the BBC it’s because the BBC is “so left wing” - despite the fact Laura Kuennsberg is its chief reporter. Despite the fact it chose not to run a story about the Supreme Court finding Matt Hancock guilty of *actual corruption* in its evening bulletins. 

“The BBC has a left wing agenda,” he says. He then tells me I’m being daft if I suggest the Barclay brothers or Murdoch may have an agenda. 

Despite all this, yesterday when he became frustrated with me he said, “you think I’m right wing.” I do. He then told me he thought of himself as “a centrist, left of centre actually.” 

My jaw hit the floor. This is from a man who wants Bulgarians out of the country because “they nick tools on sites I work on. You wouldn’t know, you don’t live in the real world like I do.”  

A man who makes jokes about CSE, or that people who live in council houses don’t shower. A man who thinks bankers should get tax breaks on their million pound bonuses because they “keep our economy strong.” A man who told me (a teacher in a school with a higher than average number of disadvantaged students) that it’s a myth there are children who *need* a free school meal.

A man who thinks Covid is “just the flu” and that the figures for deaths and hospitalisation are fabricated. Of those he does accept died of Covid, he says, “most of those people would have died anyway so it’s just natural selection.” Quite the compassionate socialist.

Yesterday I had to explain the concept of empathy to him and he *could not* get it. 

If this man sees himself as a left of centre socialist, and sees his son (LD councillor so hardly a radical communist) as a “woke snowflake lefty” (his words) then the entire political spectrum has shifted massively to the right. 

I fear this is the case. There are many more like my Dad. Angry men who don’t really know what they’re angry about, but nevertheless blame others for it. Lately the EU has been a handy scapegoat. Prior to 2016 he had no view on the EU. 

However, he, like so many others, is far too easily manipulated by people with ulterior motives who channel his anger towards their own goals - which are inevitably their own enrichment, to the detriment of the finances or quality of life of the people they exploit. 

So why does this work? Because all too often men like my Dad have an inbuilt, extremely strong and inexplicable sense that their opinion on anything is important and correct. He honestly believes everything he says with 100% certainty. 

I think I’m intelligent. I have a degree in journalism and a post-grad qualification in education. My A-levels were in History, Politics, Media, English and Critical Thinking. I am a district councillor. I feel this all qualifies me as relatively knowledgeable when it comes to the news cycle but I don’t claim anything like 100% certainty on any topic. Unlike my dad. 

It almost seems like a superpower to be as certain as angry men like him are. So that’s why I feel we’re fucked as a nation. Johnson and his cronies could achieve anything they want as long as they continue to tap into the power bank of angry white *whatever it is*. 

This has arrived in the post for my daughter (8 months). Mainly bought to annoy my flag-shagger (“I don’t see race”) dad. 

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19 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

This has arrived in the post for my daughter (8 months). Mainly bought to annoy my flag-shagger (“I don’t see race”) dad. 

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Great work.

I just read someone on another forum compare Gareth Southgate and Rio Ferdinand to the literal Nazi party for ‘telling me what to think’ regarding making a symbolic gesture for equality so your old man isn’t alone with his views.

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7 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

This actually is something out of the latest Alan Partridge series!

Accidental Partridge was one of my favourite twitter accounts. A shame they closed up shop just as GBNews was taking to the air...

Reading a few of the comments on this and other youtube clips, the fans of GBNews crib the alt.right boilerplate "the left are losing their minds over this..." nonsense, when in actual fact, its a modest number of pranksters sniggering like school-boys...

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56 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Ahahahahahahahah.

Johnson, Thatcher, Raab, Hancock, Major, Portillo, Tory boys, May, Cameron, Sunak, your lot took one hell of a beating. 

Nice surprise to wake up to at the start of my 2 week holiday! Let's hope this isn't a one-off!

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