eastynh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, eFestivals said: Goalhanging creates a dierfferent ouciome. It's just a shame we can't ban you from the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromite Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Champions League 2024: New format with 10-match first phase set to be agreed Not a fan of this, completely against teams getting in on historical merit. It's not as bad the super league proposal, but it is still a decline on the current format Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 All that is happening is the establishment of an elite European league. It’s been going on for decades and is getting closer. It’s being produced in as large steps as possible but small enough to prevent outcry and too much negative publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, eFestivals said: Goalhanging creates a dierfferent ouciome. You're literally trolling your own forum now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, jyoung said: You're literally trolling your own forum now. Provenme wrong and you right by posting a vid of a beautiful agereol goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, eastynh said: Maybe, but more effective as a goal scorer. He is the most lethal striker the Premier League has ever seen. That Shearer bloke begs to differ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: That Shearer bloke begs to differ... He can beg all he wants. Aguero has more career goals than Shearer, in far fewer games. Aguero's mins per goal ratio blows Shearers out of the water. When you compare their records, Aguero's is far better than Shearers. People forget Aguero had scored over 100 goals in Spain and that was before the age of 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, eastynh said: He can beg all he wants. Aguero has more career goals than Shearer, in far fewer games. Aguero's mins per goal ratio blows Shearers out of the water. When you compare their records, Aguero's is far better than Shearers. People forget Aguero had scored over 100 goals in Spain and that was before the age of 22. You said “Premier League” not anywhere else. Shearer scored more goals than Aguero. And if we’re talking ratios then Aguero is on 0.67 goals per game - Henry and Kane are both on 0.68. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: You said “Premier League” not anywhere else. Shearer scored more goals than Aguero. And if we’re talking ratios then Aguero is on 0.67 goals per game - Henry and Kane are both on 0.68. Aguero scores a goal every 106.5 minutes, Harry Kane scores every 120 minutes and Henry 121 minutes. Shearer is every 146 minutes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mancity.com/news/mens/sergio-aguero-minutes-per-goal-63726692 Shearer did score more goals in the premier league than Aguero. So has Rooney and Andy Cole. Yet Aguero's record is far better than all of them. Are you saying Rooney is a more lethal striker than Aguero because he scored more goals in the premier league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, eastynh said: Aguero scores a goal every 106.5 minutes, Harry Kane scores every 120 minutes and Henry 121 minutes. Shearer is every 146 minutes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mancity.com/news/mens/sergio-aguero-minutes-per-goal-63726692 Shearer did score more goals in the premier league than Aguero. So has Rooney and Andy Cole. Yet Aguero's record is far better than all of them. Are you saying Rooney is a more lethal striker than Aguero because he scored more goals in the premier league? To be honest Easty I'm just trying to get you to consider the world outside of Manchester City FC. I don't really have a dog in any fight, I just enjoy skewering the humourless, one-eyed, overly serious fans of big clubs who feel they need to aggressively promote their club and players and are incapable of hearing arguments to the contrary... Aguero is one of the best PL strikers ever, as was Shearer, as Rooney, Cole, Henry, etc. The phrase "best ever" is moot and pointless as there are any number of metrics you can use to support your desired choice. If he continues scoring at his current rate then Kane will beat all of them on every metric anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) Because of the way they play, a lot of Agueros goals were tap ins. Dozens and dozens. City are so good at times they can walk it into the net. What a player though. He'll be a great fit at Barca and it'll keep Messi happy. Edited March 30, 2021 by The Nal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: To be honest Easty I'm just trying to get you to consider the world outside of Manchester City FC. I don't really have a dog in any fight, I just enjoy skewering the humourless, one-eyed, overly serious fans of big clubs who feel they need to aggressively promote their club and players and are incapable of hearing arguments to the contrary... Aguero is one of the best PL strikers ever, as was Shearer, as Rooney, Cole, Henry, etc. The phrase "best ever" is moot and pointless as there are any number of metrics you can use to support your desired choice. If he continues scoring at his current rate then Kane will beat all of them on every metric anyway. If I had been saying Kompany was the greatest ever cb to play in the premier league, then you might have a point regarding me being myopic. But we were discussing Aguero and Shearer. Shearers record is nowhere near as good as Agueros. Even if Kane continues at his current rate, it will still not match up to Agueros, as his scoring rate is nowhere near Agueros level. Now a different and probably nore interesting discussion is whether Shearer or Kane would have exceeded Aguero if they had played in these City teams. I don't think Henry would have. Although a more elegant player, he played in teams at the same level as City, but his record is not as good. The other 2 is open to debate. As for you winding fans of big clubs up, I don't ever see you being negative towards anyone but City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, eastynh said: As for you winding fans of big clubs up, I don't ever see you being negative towards anyone but City. You might wanna ask yourself why that is... As I've said before, it's the fans that take it all oh so seriously and cannot accept any digs at their club that interest me. Said before that I lived in Manchester for years and I actively liked City, went to Maine Rd a few times, saw them in the early days of the Etihad... but they are not that club any more. They're just another testament to the wrongs and excesses of modern football. Their soul went when they won the Saudi jackpot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 How a great strikers of the PL era conversation doesn't include Drogba beyond a passing mention by a Chelski fan is beyond me. Definition of a big game player, terrorised Arsenal, Spurs, Man U, the cups. Not ridiculously prolific in terms of goals/game, but a complete striker and his goals came when it mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said: How a great strikers of the PL era conversation doesn't include Drogba beyond a passing mention by a Chelski fan is beyond me. Definition of a big game player, terrorised Arsenal, Spurs, Man U, the cups. Not ridiculously prolific in terms of goals/game, but a complete striker and his goals came when it mattered. Legend. Probably our best ever player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Nah, you’re forgetting Jody Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said: You might wanna ask yourself why that is... As I've said before, it's the fans that take it all oh so seriously and cannot accept any digs at their club that interest me. Said before that I lived in Manchester for years and I actively liked City, went to Maine Rd a few times, saw them in the early days of the Etihad... but they are not that club any more. They're just another testament to the wrongs and excesses of modern football. Their soul went when they won the Saudi jackpot. Well as a fan who went religiously through the worst of times, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that winning the jackpot is infinitely better than what we went through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said: How a great strikers of the PL era conversation doesn't include Drogba beyond a passing mention by a Chelski fan is beyond me. Definition of a big game player, terrorised Arsenal, Spurs, Man U, the cups. Not ridiculously prolific in terms of goals/game, but a complete striker and his goals came when it mattered. Great player and should definitely be in the conversation. Drogba scored heavy goals. Edited March 30, 2021 by eastynh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Thing about Shearer is 4 years at Southampton, 4 at Blackburn and 10 at Newcastle. His total would be miles better if he hadn't knocked Utd back twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, jyoung said: Legend. Probably our best ever player. In terms of performances in the big games, when it counted, Drogba to me trumps all other strikers in the PL. Aguero comes close and was certainly more consistent over a season, but there was almost an inevitably to Drogba rising to the big moments. Every cup game or title 6-pointer it was Drogba that won the trophies for Chelsea. Spent far too much time rolling around feigning injuries for me to like him mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, eastynh said: Great player and should definitely be in the conversation. Drogba scored heavy goals. Heavy goals, and IMO the most complete striker of them all. Hold-up play, assists, physical power, pace. An absolute beast. Just went a bit missing in some of the smaller games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyoung Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 P 3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said: In terms of performances in the big games, when it counted, Drogba to me trumps all other strikers in the PL. Aguero comes close and was certainly more consistent over a season, but there was almost an inevitably to Drogba rising to the big moments. Every cup game or title 6-pointer it was Drogba that won the trophies for Chelsea. Spent far too much time rolling around feigning injuries for me to like him mind. 9 goals in 10 cup finals is a sensational record. I agree when we talk about big game players, he is at the very top. He was not without his faults. Sent off in the 2008 Champions League Final, gave away a penalty in both the 2012 Semi Final and Final... But you would always want him leading your line when push came to shove. I think the rolling around was a big part of his game when he arrived. The fans weren't hugely fussed and I think he wanted to leave too. As time went on though, he adapted to the English game and mastered it completely. He terrorised Arsenal for years and Wembley was practically his back garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, lost said: Thing about Shearer is 4 years at Southampton, 4 at Blackburn and 10 at Newcastle. His total would be miles better if he hadn't knocked Utd back twice. For all the factor that Newcastle never won anything, when Shearer was there we were challenging for titles and regulars in Europe, and playing attacking football. I'm not sure his goal tally would have been that much higher at Man U, albeit his trophy cabinet would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I don't think you can use total premiership goals as the metric. It massively favours british based players who likely spent their whole career in England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, jyoung said: P 9 goals in 10 cup finals is a sensational record. I agree when we talk about big game players, he is at the very top. He was not without his faults. Sent off in the 2008 Champions League Final, gave away a penalty in both the 2012 Semi Final and Final... But you would always want him leading your line when push came to shove. I think the rolling around was a big part of his game when he arrived. The fans weren't hugely fussed and I think he wanted to leave too. As time went on though, he adapted to the English game and mastered it completely. He terrorised Arsenal for years and Wembley was practically his back garden. The level of dark arts when you've got Drogba in a Mourinho team was sickening, but the skill and dominance was something to admire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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