When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

Coronavirus: Lockdown to ease further in England from Saturday https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53772735

We really are past the point of science and numbers having any effect on decision making. That's absolutely laughable 

[steviewevie]

still...at least the bowling alleys are opening.

[Chapple12345]

Could this be part of the mitigations, allowing the lockdown to ease further whilst adding countries back on the quarantine list?

[Crazyfool01]

sit down meals with mixed households over 2households  aren't allowed nowin a pub  I believe ..... but they are ok at a wedding of over 30 with a sit-down meal 

[Leyrulion]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

We really are past the point of science and numbers having any effect on decision making. That's absolutely laughable 

Fewer local authorities are reporting coronavirus cases, as weeks go by the number with 0 cases is increasing. The cases we do have appear to be more and more contained to specific areas. 

This relaxation doesn't apply to those areas. 

I think this shows science and numbers are playing a huge part. 

 

[Leyrulion]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

sit down meals with mixed households over 2households  aren't allowed nowin a pub  I believe ..... but they are ok at a wedding of over 30 with a sit-down meal 

No because this new easing of rules doesn't apply in areas of local lockdown. 

[FestivalJamie]

“New guidance will also mean that staff offering "close contact" services, including hairdressers, will now have to wear a face mask as well as a clear visor”.

Face masks now mandatory for those performing close contact services such as barbers and hairdressers.

The barber round the corner from me the staff aren’t wearing masks or visors though...

And:

“There will also be a clampdown on illegal gatherings of more than 30 people, which could see those responsible hit with spot fines of up to £10,000”.

On the spot fines of up to £10000 for illegal gatherings over 30 people.

Lets see if either of these new enforcement measures actually happen.

 

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

No because this new easing of rules doesn't apply in areas of local lockdown. 

1.3 What should I still avoid doing?

It remains the case that you should not:

• socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub
• followed by today s announcement about weddings and sit down meals of groups of over 30 ..... these households are getting big 

[FestivalJamie]

I think we need to make contact tracing mandatory in pubs and restaurants so we can regulate how many households are dining/drinking together.

In germany everyone must provide their address when indoor dining so they can prove there’s no more than 2 households mixing when eating together.

 

[Leyrulion]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

1.3 What should I still avoid doing?

It remains the case that you should not:

• socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub
• followed by today s announcement about weddings and sit down meals of groups of over 30 ..... these households are getting big 

You're quoting guidance at me, I'm talking about the law.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I think we need to make contact tracing mandatory in pubs and restaurants so we can regulate how many households are dining/drinking together.

In germany everyone must provide their address when indoor dining so they can prove there’s no more than 2 households mixing when eating together.

 

Can you delay suggesting this for 2 weeks ... I’ve got my 1 rule break due for my friend that I’ve known for 20 years ... 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

You're quoting guidance at me, I'm talking about the law.

Guidance / law ... that’s part of the issue I’d say ... what is what ? Nobody has the foggiest ... perhaps that’s not accurate .. I’d say few people do 

Edited August 13, 2020 by crazyfool1

[Ozanne]

9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

1.3 What should I still avoid doing?

It remains the case that you should not:

• socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub
• followed by today s announcement about weddings and sit down meals of groups of over 30 ..... these households are getting big 

Yeah they’ve kept the rule of no more than 2 households inside. 

[Leyrulion]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I think we need to make contact tracing mandatory in pubs and restaurants so we can regulate how many households are dining/drinking together.

In germany everyone must provide their address when indoor dining so they can prove there’s no more than 2 households mixing when eating together.

 

Agree. It's not currently mandatory, just guidance on business. Put it in their licensing regulations. 

People will lie and say they're in the same household but you'll probably know each other. So as long as you tell the other person if you're contact traced and they  and their household quarantine you'll be fine. 

 

[Leyrulion]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Guidance / law ... that’s part of the issue I’d say ... what is what ? Nobody has the foggiest 

Hard agree here. 

Tell me what I can't do, fine me if I do it.

Otherwise it's not worth the paper it's written on. 

[Ozanne]

Just now, Leyrulion said:

Agree. It's not currently mandatory, just guidance on business. Put it in their licensing regulations. 

People will lie and say they're in the same household but you'll probably know each other. So as long as you tell the other person if you're contact traced and they  and their household quarantine you'll be fine. 

 

People shouldn’t be doing that though, lying and breaching the guidelines. 

[dotdash79]

6 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

You're quoting guidance at me, I'm talking about the law.

The law hasn’t been published, expect it to be changed next week 

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

People shouldn’t be doing that though, lying and breaching the guidelines. 

Unfortunately some people are just so selfish. ☹️

[Ozanne]

Just now, FestivalJamie said:

Unfortunately some people are just so selfish. ☹️

Sadly you are right, I wish more did take it seriously. 

[Leyrulion]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

People shouldn’t be doing that though, lying and breaching the guidelines. 

Shouldn't be, but they will do. 

As I say, it's not currently mandatory for pubs to collect any information off you so there's no way at all of contacting these people. 

If it's mandatory the chances are at least one person in a group might leave a real number and allow the rest to be contacted. Which they can't currently be

Edited August 13, 2020 by Leyrulion

[Ayrshire Chris]

France as well? Looks like it’s staycations for all of us this year. 

[shoptildrop]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

still...at least the bowling alleys are opening.

Too late for this big one in Manchester  

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/manchester-city-centre-bowling-bar-18758846

 

[shoptildrop]

40 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

1.3 What should I still avoid doing?

It remains the case that you should not:

• socialise indoors in groups of more than two households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household) – this includes when dining out or going to the pub
• followed by today s announcement about weddings and sit down meals of groups of over 30 ..... these households are getting big 

Greater Manchester still in semi lockdown, so all these easing of restrictions don't count for us (or the borough's of Lancashire or West Yorks under same restrictions)  

[Zoo Music Girl]

It's all such bollocks isn't it? Ooh we've increased the face mask fine to £3200. Doesn't really matter how much the fine is if it's not being enforced anywhere.

I'm guessing Boris has shat himself about the recession and decided to hurry things along with the reopening.

[shoptildrop]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

It's all such bollocks isn't it? Ooh we've increased the face mask fine to £3200. Doesn't really matter how much the fine is if it's not being enforced anywhere.

I'm guessing Boris has shat himself about the recession and decided to hurry things along with the reopening.

Timing awesome as ever too

10pm add new countries to quarantine list

10.45pm eases shed load of restrictions

It's almost like they are trying to distract us from something mmmhhhh