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so from this position how do they sort this mess out ? is herd immunity the only option now ? or hoping for the vaccine ? need to find something positive to cling on to 

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1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Haha I thought this too! Do we know why he was off? At risk?

I assume so. He said it was because of medical advice but he didn't elaborate. 

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3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Come on, we've got to move on, so we can get brexit done.

Lol. I like what you did, and feel I should acknowledge the joke as it seems to have slipped by.

 

(If you read the Mail comments on pretty much *any* article you'll know what I mean).

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54 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

So Iraqi deaths don't count? Blair has far more blood on his hands

The average Brexiteer won’t give two shits about Iraqi deaths. This is why I mentioned British deaths. Our flag waving countrymen only care about one nationality. If their precious Boris was shown to be responsible for more British deaths than any other PM since the war then some of them might actually use their braincell to change their mind about who we have in charge. 

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3 minutes ago, EasyUserName said:

Lol. I like what you did, and feel I should acknowledge the joke as it seems to have slipped by.

 

(If you read the Mail comments on pretty much *any* article you'll know what I mean).

can you enlighten us so we dont have to ? 

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1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

Which Prime Minister has the most blood on their hands? 
 

Churchill is up there as even though he wasn’t in charge of the country when WWII broke out he was heavily involved in organising Gallipoli in WWI. ...

Sorry, off-topic I know, but technically he was just a minister at the time (well, not that simple. His position was equivalent to Defence Minister today).

 

I wonder who holds the record for (modern - say past 100 years) deaths whilst being in government.  Easy to be at the top with "clean hands" & equally as easy to get them dirty on the way up.

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26 minutes ago, Peter North said:

I've seen Lammo outside gigs, looking gaunt and chain-smoking ciggies... not really the picture of health.

Yeah same, but I wouldn't have thought "I'm a big smoker" equates to "I need two months off". But maybe it does. Have not missed him! 

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17 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

The average Brexiteer won’t give two shits about Iraqi deaths. This is why I mentioned British deaths. Our flag waving countrymen only care about one nationality. If their precious Boris was shown to be responsible for more British deaths than any other PM since the war then some of them might actually use their braincell to change their mind about who we have in charge. 

But would the average person think that Boris is responsible for all those deaths? Our death rate is very similar to Italy and Spain so it's not as if we are vastly worse than some other countries, for the sake of argument, if Corbyn had won the election what do think the death rate would have been? Much better? Worse? About the same? It's impossible to say of course because we don't know how he would have played it but blaming Boris for all these deaths is not realistic, even if you think he is primarily to blame he has the "I was only following medical advice" excuse which some may well accept.

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3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Come on, we've got to move on, so we can get brexit done.

 

 17 minutes ago, EasyUserName said:

Lol. I like what you did, and feel I should acknowledge the joke as it seems to have slipped by.

 

(If you read the Mail comments on pretty much *any* article you'll know what I mean).

 

15 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

can you enlighten us so we dont have to ? 

I like to have a read of a variety of websites over lunch, for entertainment value.  A generally broad spectrum, and some niche sites.

 

The Mail though usually doesn't fail to disappoint.   Any article, broadly speaking, will have many, many comments about how it is "a Remoanier conspiracy".  "Get Brexit done" is a pretty standard comment.

I don't comment but I do feel sorry for people who might, with honest intention, do.   Any article, any comment, can be pretty much be reduced to the quote from "steviewevie" above.  And don't they drown people out!  I'm all for a free media, and I know the Mail isn't a free house at all, but if you're not about "getting Brexit done" you're going to be buried under a load of comments.

Fascinating the bias, and I feel an under-rated issue of influence.

The DC issue of late was the first time in a long time I've seen the rage of "normal" people overwhelm the usual "brexit / it's a conspiracy / lefty / media done it" comments.  For a short while, the usual comments were washed away, but they're back again now - "real" people pushed out. 

 

So, I smiled when I saw the joke (I assume it was - I may have embarrassed myself with my amateur analysis of the Mail and their comment section here!).  "Normality" has been resumed on the Mail comment section - back to "Come on, we've got to move on, so we can get brexit done" and less of this real rage about real things.  Lol.

 

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11 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Yeah same, but I wouldn't have thought "I'm a big smoker" equates to "I need two months off". But maybe it does. Have not missed him! 

Agreed. Wish him well of course, but i think it's time to move on. Would love Tom Ravenscroft in the afternoon.

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4 minutes ago, EasyUserName said:

 

 

I like to have a read of a variety of websites over lunch, for entertainment value.  A generally broad spectrum, and some niche sites.

 

The Mail though usually doesn't fail to disappoint.   Any article, broadly speaking, will have many, many comments about how it is "a Remoanier conspiracy".  "Get Brexit done" is a pretty standard comment.

I don't comment but I do feel sorry for people who might, with honest intention, do.   Any article, any comment, can be pretty much be reduced to the quote from "steviewevie" above.  And don't they drown people out!  I'm all for a free media, and I know the Mail isn't a free house at all, but if you're not about "getting Brexit done" you're going to be buried under a load of comments.

Fascinating the bias, and I feel an under-rated issue of influence.

The DC issue of late was the first time in a long time I've seen the rage of "normal" people overwhelm the usual "brexit / it's a conspiracy / lefty / media done it" comments.  For a short while, the usual comments were washed away, but they're back again now - "real" people pushed out. 

 

So, I smiled when I saw the joke (I assume it was - I may have embarrassed myself with my amateur analysis of the Mail and their comment section here!).  "Normality" has been resumed on the Mail comment section - back to "Come on, we've got to move on, so we can get brexit done" and less of this real rage about real things.  Lol.

 

got it .. thanks for explanation 

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54 minutes ago, Peter North said:

Agreed. Wish him well of course, but i think it's time to move on. Would love Tom Ravenscroft in the afternoon.

That would be good. Yeah no ill will of course, the Evening Session was a big part of my childhood, but his show now is so dull and past it.

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The Spectator is now saying Boris is unfit to lead. You know that left leaning, remainer newspaper...

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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Spectator is now saying Boris is unfit to lead. You know that left leaning, remainer newspaper...

Isn’t that the paper that Cummings’ wife writes a column for? There must be a deeper agenda here if they are going against one of their own writers?

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8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Spectator is now saying Boris is unfit to lead. You know that left leaning, remainer newspaper...

Really good attack line from Keir, will push him into a corner. 

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9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Spectator is now saying Boris is unfit to lead. You know that left leaning, remainer newspaper...

We saw an example of Cumming's power when Sajid Javid resigned, Boris was quite prepared to let him go rather than go against Cumming's, now Boris has sacrificed a large part of his popularity and all his credibility by backing Cummings against the vast majority of the Britsh people, I can't ever remember a political advisor having such influence, he's clearly running the show, in a supposed democracy that can't go on. 

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5 hours ago, WestCountryGirl said:

Honestly I am feeling a bit hysterical right now. I can't believe how reckless, how careless they are being, just because their ratings are in the toilet. I want to shout and scream it from the rooftops to people to keep isolating. 

We're doomed. The country is being actively guided into a second wave and there is nothing I can do to stop that happening.

I was scared when this all began over here but I thought we would just have to hunker down for 3-4 months and then the worst would be over, but right now it feels like the worst is yet to come.

Sorry for doom-mongering. As I said, bit hysterical...

A bit?

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The new rules effectively make the lockdown unenforceable - you could be travelling anywhere for a socially distanced visit in someone's garden.

Having said that, I don't think it's an awful move. These rules aren't going to allow any businesses to open up that weren't already planning to, which frankly has always been the main problem with our lockdown: not compelling anyone but essential workers not to go to work. 

With the Cummings thing enforcing lockdown became impossible anyway, so we're now into the world of personal responsibility. Do what you consider safe, essentially.

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2 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Ed Miliband didn't win because he couldn't eat a bacon sandwich properly. Gove can't even drink water like a human.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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6 minutes ago, Smeble said:

A bit?

Sad to say I am taking the bait. But i really wonder wether you are a troll who makes comments deliberately to hurt people or whether something really bad happened to you and you struggle to empathise with anyone else. If it is the latter I really feel sorry for you and wish you well. Seek help.  

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1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

Isn’t that the paper that Cummings’ wife writes a column for? There must be a deeper agenda here if they are going against one of their own writers?

A more "fully open up" leader perhaps? I keep circling back to the "hawks vs doves" stories a few weeks ago. Ridiculously the current leaders are supposedly on the pro saving lives side vs the economy above all else lot 

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3 hours ago, EasyUserName said:

I wonder who holds the record for (modern - say past 100 years) deaths whilst being in government.  Easy to be at the top with "clean hands" & equally as easy to get them dirty on the way up.

Mao or Blair.

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The main spreads seem to be large indoor gatherings like weddings and within car homes rather than meeting up in a park with a mate (though obviously there isnt a 100% clear link) 

I'd be inclined to say that the odd meet up with mates with distancing outside will be fine.

 

Surface infections isnt... a massive risk as well from the limited evidence.

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Right I watched this programme last night and quite frankly sat open mouthed for most of it!! Came out early 2018 and all the research was back in 2017

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p059y0p1

Highlights

  • They had a track and trace app that worked
  • The key take outs from the experiment were "stay at home" and "wash your hands"
  • 2 of the folk involved in the app and data mining are now part of sage
  • Showed the PPE warehouse storage
  • It really showed how quickly the virus spread without doing anything

My fella downloaded it as not on iplayer, if you can find it elsewhere I totally recommend it. What it shows is key people had already done a virus response 2 years ago and all the data of how it can pan out, an app that works, where they issues would be AND some key slogans - it was unreal tbh

Edit found link on youtube 

 

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