When will this shit end?

[incident]

Just now, st dan said:

Hmmm this doesn’t seem to be fair- giving vaccine doses by absolute numbers rather than a fair proportion of the population? So the larger populated countries are essentially penalised then?

Don't think it's possible to quantify it like that in any realistic way though.

It's going to vary quite a bit depending on which vaccines are approved in a given country, the specifics of the deal struck between the country and the manufacturers, and what the manufacturing status is -

For example in the UK, the Government have stepped in to ensure that both the Oxford and Novavax candidates (and Valneva, but that's miles off being ready) have significant domestic manufacturing capacity, and as part of those deals any vaccine doses manufactured here will be first used to fulfil the UK purchase agreements before being offered for sale elsewhere.

The USA have struck a similar deal with Moderna, which is a large part of the reason nowhere outside the US is expecting to receive stocks of their vaccine before about Easter.

[Euphoricape]

Independent SAGE tells it straight

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/26/covid-all-of-england-should-be-put-into-tier-four-scientists-say-13810810/

[Toilet Duck]

14 minutes ago, st dan said:

Hmmm this doesn’t seem to be fair- giving vaccine doses by absolute numbers rather than a fair proportion of the population? So the larger populated countries are essentially penalised then?

EU vaccine distribution is indeed based on population (so, here in Ireland we get 1.1% of the EU’s stock), same in Slovakia (they get slightly more than us as we have a slightly smaller population)...3 months to completion sounds a bit over optimistic to me! Fully expect a big push through summer and into the Autumn to get the low risk population vaccinated before Winter. But who knows, if supply increases, it could be quicker. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

First one of my colleagues to test positive now .... not sure what to do now .... they are shit at distancing ... he wears a mask .... ffs 😞 was always gonna happen 

Sorry to hear that but I’m sure you’ve been taking all the precautions, hand sanitising, taking care with surfaces  etc.  Let’s face it, I reckon we’ve all been close to someone with it without knowing it, it’s just that in this case the individual has been tested. Does this mean a deep clean of where he/she worked?  

[stuartbert two hats]

9 minutes ago, Euphoricape said:

Independent SAGE tells it straight

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/26/covid-all-of-england-should-be-put-into-tier-four-scientists-say-13810810/

Quite. Why the holy fuck does the Government policy seem to suggest that current restrictions in Manchester are just fine:

Shut. The. Shops.

[dotdash79]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Quite. Why the holy fuck does the Government policy seem to suggest that current restrictions in Manchester are just fine:

Shut. The. Shops.

Not quite yet, My wife is booked in to get her hair done on Wednesday, and she's had to move it twice due to having covid and lockdown 2.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, dotdash79 said:

Not quite yet, My wife is booked in to get her hair done on Wednesday, and she's had to move it twice due to having covid and lockdown 2.

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Sorry to hear that but I’m sure you’ve been taking all the precautions, hand sanitising, taking care with surfaces  etc.  Let’s face it, I reckon we’ve all been close to someone with it without knowing it, it’s just that in this case the individual has been tested. Does this mean a deep clean of where he/she worked?  

I would hope so ... will find out tomoro ..

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Quite. Why the holy fuck does the Government policy seem to suggest that current restrictions in Manchester are just fine:

Shut. The. Shops.

Those figures aren’t great are they. My area is tier 4 and our numbers aren’t that high!

[stuartbert two hats]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Those figures aren’t great are they. My area is tier 4 and our numbers aren’t that high!

The numbers stopped rising a couple of weeks ago. They should have increased the measures then.

[zahidf]

 

[steviewevie]

Imagine how fucked we'd be if we didn't have these vaccines....

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Imagine how fucked we'd be if we didn't have these vaccines....

 

 

If this is true, we get to herd immunity a lot quicker.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Imagine how fucked we'd be if we didn't have these vaccines....

We'd just have to catch it. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Her analysis is pretty good. She’s honest.

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Her analysis is pretty good. She’s honest.

She's part of Fake Sage isn't she? Not really a fan of them

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

She's part of Fake Sage isn't she? Not really a fan of them

yeah, she is fake news. Ignore her.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, she is fake news. Ignore her.

Lol..not what I said. But I dont really trust fake SAGE. Lots of contradictions in what they say.

[fraybentos1]

The Telegraph article if anyone wants to read it...

 

 

The Oxford vaccine will be rolled out from January 4 across the country under plans being drawn up by ministers, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Government is aiming for two million people to receive their first dose of either the Oxford vaccine or the Pfizer jab within a fortnight as part of a major ramping up of the inoculation programme.

The Telegraph can also disclose that mass vaccination centres at sports stadiums and conference venues are primed to launch in the second week of January, provided the regulator approves the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine within days.

The rollout of the Oxford vaccine, which is easier to store and handle than the Pfizer jab and costs less, is likely to make it easier to reach people living in the most secluded areas of England.

The Government has ordered 100 million jabs, with the majority expected to be rolled out by March next year. Senior Government sources said that approval could come as soon as Sunday after the company submitted its final tranche of data to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) on Monday evening.

Meanwhile, after the first Pfizer vaccine doses were delivered to care homes this week, “roving” health teams have now been tasked with visiting hundreds of additional homes by New Year’s Eve.

It comes after the Department for Health and Social Care admitted on Friday that just seven care homes had been visited by Christmas Eve, while figures suggest residents account for only 0.3 per cent of the 613,000 people inoculated so far.

By the end of the first week of January, the Government is privately aiming to have delivered the first dose of both vaccines to two million people in England, with the numbers due to accelerate as supply increases.

However, Downing Street last night stressed that these were internal ambitions, rather than official targets.

It comes amid growing pressure on ministers to accelerate the rollout of the vaccine in response to surging infection rates across the country, fuelled by the new strain of Covid-19 which is believed to have originated in Kent.

After cases more than doubled this week across England, with hospital admissions eclipsing the peak in April, fears are mounting that a tougher nationwide lockdown will be required unless jabs can be distributed more quickly to the elderly and extremely vulnerable.

“We are deploying as fast as we get the stuff in,” a Whitehall insider said last night. “The constraint is supply, not deployment.

“The protocol around Pfizer is really difficult, but with AstraZeneca it’s much easier, it’s like the flu vaccine.”

Easier to store, handle and more readily available than the Pfizer vaccine, the Government also intends to distribute the Oxford jab to mass vaccination centres, including sports hall, stadiums and conference centres from the second week of January.

The Nightingale hospital at the London ExCel centre, Epsom racecourse in Surrey, Bristol's Ashton Gate football stadium and the Robertson House conference facility in Stevenage will serve the capital and south of England, while Manchester Tennis and Football Centre, the Centre for Life Science Park in Newcastle and Leicester Racecourse are the mass vaccine sites for the North and the Midlands.

The Oxford vaccine is also due to be administered alongside the Pfizer jab at 83 hospital hubs and 400 GPs which are already operational, with a further 200 GPs due to be online by this weekend.

As supplies of the vaccine increase, the Government is also preparing to expand rollout to primary care networks and community pharmacies.

Edited December 26, 2020 by fraybentos1

[zahidf]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089575/amp/Britain-free-lockdowns-February-Oxfords-Covid-vaccine.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

Mail says that the 'govt sources' will end lockdown once 15 million people are vaccinated.

[stuartbert two hats]

Anyone think there will be any action on schools/universities?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Anyone think there will be any action on schools/universities?

I think they’ll be forced too. They’ll try to keep them open with mass testing but it might not be enough and I can see them being forced into closing them. The numbers at the moment aren’t good at all. 

[fraybentos1]

''Government sources say that between 12 million and 15 million people have been identified as likely to require hospital treatment if they contract coronavirus, or be at risk of dying from it. Once this group has received the vaccine – which some officials hope could be achieved by the end of February – then the NHS would no longer be at risk of being overwhelmed if the virus spread through the greater population. That would remove the main argument for shutting the economy at a stroke.''

 

From that Daily Mail (yes, I know) article.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I’ve just this read this in full and the analysis is pretty harrowing. We are essentially flying blind of the next week without a full picture of data and with significant rising in cases and hospital admissions. As she says we need a rethink of how we handle the virus.