When will this shit end?

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

We're not ignoring it, the vast majority of us have suspended our entire life. Sure, let's have an inquiry, but can people like him fuck off with the "we're ignoring it" or "nobody cares" bullshit?

A bit tetchy after another boring Saturday.

I don't think people are ignoring it tbf, it's more that people in general are becoming desensitised to it.

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think people are ignoring it tbf, it's more that people in general are becoming desensitised to it.

You just shared a tweet which said no one cares?

[stuartbert two hats]

12 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

These bubbles that weren't bubbles what were they then? 

My lad couldn't mix outside his year group. Couldn't sit next to anyone at lunch they had to have spaces between each of them. Had to sit next to one other kid for two weeks. One year group in and out of school at a time so different start times. One year group on the play ground at a time. 

Sounds like a bubble to me... Oh and when the other class had a positive Covid test they were sent home. A risk assessment was done with you know actual public health officials from the council and the CCG and they sent one kid from my lads class home because he played with the positive kid on the playground. Not the whole year group which would have been easier. 

My lad has missed no school other than lockdowns due to no other positive cases in his key stage. 1 other incident in his school - he has been miserable as sin this week. 

Ultimately what difference does another few weeks at home for some 60 something's make compared to an entire generation of young people missing more school? There already fucked before you even think about the fallout from Covid and Brexit... I think the least the older generation can do is let them have a few more weeks of their childhood and innocence back. 

They were nodes.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

They were nodes.

We all are 

[efcfanwirral]

17 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

These bubbles that weren't bubbles what were they then? 

My lad couldn't mix outside his year group. Couldn't sit next to anyone at lunch they had to have spaces between each of them. Had to sit next to one other kid for two weeks. One year group in and out of school at a time so different start times. One year group on the play ground at a time. 

Sounds like a bubble to me... Oh and when the other class had a positive Covid test they were sent home. A risk assessment was done with you know actual public health officials from the council and the CCG and they sent one kid from my lads class home because he played with the positive kid on the playground. Not the whole year group which would have been easier. 

My lad has missed no school other than lockdowns due to no other positive cases in his key stage. 1 other incident in his school - he has been miserable as sin this week. 

Ultimately what difference does another few weeks at home for some 60 something's make compared to an entire generation of young people missing more school? There already fucked before you even think about the fallout from Covid and Brexit... I think the least the older generation can do is let them have a few more weeks of their childhood and innocence back. 

I'd agree 100% if you said the rest of us - we all need to accept 2021 is a write off for the 18-50 age group and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely deluded. But the over 60s will catch it in docs/pharmacies/supermarkets - they can't stay in fully.

But you're probably right- the rest of us are a bit fucked by this - the next generations for things to be anything close to good (if we can stem the flow of fascism anyway) will be those in school now.

On the bubble thing I meant that they were rather large bubbles but it's important for them to socialise so it makes sense they should be prioritised. 

Got to admit I'm very happy I'm never having kids though. Can barely make the right decisions for myself! 

Edited January 30, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

Just to add to what others have said about the guardian playing this in the worst possible light.

When HIV+ individuals are removed from Novavax the protection Against SA variant increases to about 65%.

The J&J trial in SA was potentially too small to be able to give accurate efficacy figures.

Even without that they still give a protection against the virus of over 50% which is the minimum threshold they need to reach to be distributed to a population 

If these were our only options we'd still be injecting it into people's arms.

Not great news in comparison to Pfizer but still plenty effective in allowing us to bring the pandemic under control and stop it.

Why is anyone shocked that a vaccine is less effective in a country where a large portion of the population are living with a virus that literally rots your immune system? 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I'd agree 100% if you said the rest of us - we all need to accept 2021 is a write off for the 18-50 age group and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely deluded. But the over 60s will catch it in docs/pharmacies/supermarkets - they can't stay in fully.

But you're probably right- the rest of us are a bit fucked by this - the next generations for things to be anything close to good (if we can stem the flow of fascism anyway) will be those in school now.

On the bubble thing I meant that they were rather large bubbles but it's important for them to socialise so it makes sense they should be prioritised. 

Got to admit I'm very happy I'm never having kids though. Can barely make the right decisions for myself! 

The summer will be like last summer at least if not a little more normal. 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

We all are 

I'm not.

[stuartbert two hats]

11 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I'd agree 100% if you said the rest of us - we all need to accept 2021 is a write off for the 18-50 age group and anyone who thinks otherwise is extremely deluded. But the over 60s will catch it in docs/pharmacies/supermarkets - they can't stay in fully.

But you're probably right- the rest of us are a bit fucked by this - the next generations for things to be anything close to good (if we can stem the flow of fascism anyway) will be those in school now.

On the bubble thing I meant that they were rather large bubbles but it's important for them to socialise so it makes sense they should be prioritised. 

The term "bubble" is as bad as "covid safe". They're both lies. 

Support bubbles, where one person only ever interacts with the people in another household, who also interact with no other people, that's a bubble. When a film crew all stay in a hotel, where all the staff also live and interact with no other people. That's a bubble.

Schools where members from hundreds of households meet and then go back to their households, other members of which may go out to work in a "covid safe" building containing hundreds of other people from other households, some of which will live with children who go to other schools - those are nodes in a network, facilitating spread of the virus.

I know that schools have put lots of effort into suppressing the spread of the virus, but they're not bubbles!

Edited January 30, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[parsonjack]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I'm not.

I think you've just confirmed you are.

[fraybentos1]

Wow ! What a swing back to the tories 👀 Think this one might slip through the net so I’ll just post it incase it’s missed!

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

The term "bubble" is as bad as "covid safe". They're both lies. 

Support bubbles, where one person only ever interacts with the people in another household, who also interact with no other people, that's a bubble. When a film crew all stay in a hotel, where all the staff also live and interact with no other people. That's a bubble.

Schools where members from hundreds of households meet and then go back to their households, other members of which may go out to work in a "covid safe" building containing hundreds of other people from other households, some of which will live with children who go to other schools - those are nodes in a network, facilitating spread of the virus.

I know that schools have put lots of effort into suppressing the spread of the virus, but they're not bubbles!

Whole schools aren't bubbles though, the whole point of bubbling classes / year groups is to reduce the nodes in the networks it is not for then to be exclusive because in the real world that isn't possible. 

Even in the exclusive example you give, what if they pass someone in the street? Nip to the shop, get the bus etc... You will always have interactions of some sort with other people. Even if you have shopping delivered you have an interaction with the delivery driver.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Wow ! What a swing back to the tories 👀 Think this one might slip through the net so I’ll just post it incase it’s missed!

so tedious your constant tory bias.

[fraybentos1]

Just now, steviewevie said:

so tedious your constant tory bias.

Haha I’m not a Tory I want Labour to do well. I am clearly just responding to Ozanne who literally only posts polls where Labour lead which is totally futile. Post them all or none at all! 

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

I think you've just confirmed you are.

dammit!

[steviewevie]

Just now, fraybentos1 said:

Haha I’m not a Tory I want Labour to do well. I am clearly just responding to Ozanne who literally only posts polls where Labour lead which is totally futile. Post them all or none at all! 

yeah yeah tory boy

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah yeah tory boy

If you read my last message again (this time, slowly) you might understand. Try again 😇

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

If you read my last message again (this time, slowly) you might understand. Try again 😇

Tory. Boy.

[efcfanwirral]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah yeah tory boy

You've just encouraged me to find Harry Enfield on a streaming service

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

If you read my last message again (this time, slowly) you might understand. Try again 😇

Typical Tory response 😉

[Leyrulion]

1 hour ago, zero000 said:

This is all based on the premise that we can completely eliminate COVID. That seems like it would be a monumental undertaking, which may be almost impossible. 

From current levels it'd take about 8 months with an R of 0.8 to get to zero new cases per day. 

If vaccines mean R can stay at that level without a lockdown then zero covid may be possible, if R can only be at that level with a lockdown then zero covid is unlikely 

[mandolin]

10 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

These bubbles that weren't bubbles what were they then? 

My lad couldn't mix outside his year group. Couldn't sit next to anyone at lunch they had to have spaces between each of them. Had to sit next to one other kid for two weeks. One year group in and out of school at a time so different start times. One year group on the play ground at a time. 

Sounds like a bubble to me... Oh and when the other class had a positive Covid test they were sent home. A risk assessment was done with you know actual public health officials from the council and the CCG and they sent one kid from my lads class home because he played with the positive kid on the playground. Not the whole year group which would have been easier. 

My lad has missed no school other than lockdowns due to no other positive cases in his key stage. 1 other incident in his school - he has been miserable as sin this week. 

Ultimately what difference does another few weeks at home for some 60 something's make compared to an entire generation of young people missing more school? There already fucked before you even think about the fallout from Covid and Brexit... I think the least the older generation can do is let them have a few more weeks of their childhood and innocence back. 

I think it’s this “this group or that group” mentality that is being really harmful.  Both here and more widely.  Absolutely not criticising you - your post was just the catalyst for me actually saying something I’ve been wanting to say for a while.  

I’m 60, Mr M is 64.  We would happily and willingly leave getting our vaccines for a few weeks for the sake of the younger people - many 5 year olds (for example) have, after all, spent nearly 20% of their life living in this weird as shit situation, hearing about death and illness at a rate that must be causing some of them nightmares that they may never fully recover from, not being able to learn social skills that might be difficult to learn later, let alone any academic learning they have missed that can‘t be caught up with etc etc etc.  

BUT

We have a 33 year old daughter who is extremely vulnerable (hospital consultant said she would, without question, die if she were to catch the virus) and the doctors can’t agree on which vaccine she should have. I don’t understand their difficulties but know that they know more than we do, and they know more than they are sharing - I also know that they are doing their very best.  So she hasn’t had her vaccination yet.  I would hope that, if we were vaccinated, we would be less likely to pass Covid on to her.  We haven‘t left the house since April other than for isolated walks or me/ Mr M - once a week - going to pick up the supermarket click and collect, every item of which has to be sanitised before it is brought into the house.  That in itself is having an impact on our well being (though we are are aware that others have had it so very much worse).   

Mr M’s mother is 98 (on Monday),  She lives in Belfast, us in Sheffield.  We haven‘t been able to see her since March.  She has now been vaccinated but none of us can take the risk of travelling to her given that we wouldn’t be able to completely isolate on the journey.  The risk is no longer to her but to our daughter and what might be brought back into our home.  My mother in law‘s health is pretty much what you would expect from a housebound 98 year old who has seen no-one in person apart from 15 minutes, three times a day when she has her intimate care needs addressed (and we are so very grateful - in a kind of strange way -  that a physical health issue in January 2020 meant that she has that much support).  We Zoom her every day (incredibly proud of her tenacity in learning how to work an ipad!) but she’s not going to be with us for much longer.  Obviously, we don‘t know how much longer.  

Selfish, I know, but I would like me, Mr M and our daughter to be vaccinated soon.  The sooner the better.  Sorry.  

There is no perfect fix.  There are no generalisations that will work.  No matter what happens, people are going to be hurt, people will suffer and, heartbreakingly, more people will die.  I just want them not to be those in my family.  

I’m sure you - and everyone else on here and elsewhere - feel exactly the same.  

 

[Smeble]

On 1/28/2021 at 10:48 PM, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

November and December aren’t this year?

Surely the availability of four/five different vaccines, and over 10% of the population having already been vaccinated by January is a pretty good indication of a better year than the previous one? 

What has November and December not being this year got to do with anything? Sorry if your brain can’t understand deaths doubling in the last 2 months is an indication of things getting worse not better🙄🙄🙄🙄

Even in your world where the recent past doesn’t appear to matter, right now as it stands the pandemic is at its absolute worst, the country is in lockdown, again, and daily deaths are out of control. There is literally nothing in that to give hope that this year will be any better than last year. 10 % of the population has not been vaccinated, less than 1% has had both injections of various unproven vaccinations, people are putting far too much faith in what effect these vaccinations will have on the pandemic.

if we are very very lucky, things may start getting slightly better towards the end of the year, however, masks and social distancing will be with us for sometime yet.

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, Smeble said:

What has November and December not being this year got to do with anything? Sorry if your brain can’t understand deaths doubling in the last 2 months is an indication of things getting worse not better🙄🙄🙄🙄

Even in your world where the recent past doesn’t appear to matter, right now as it stands the pandemic is at its absolute worst, the country is in lockdown, again, and daily deaths are out of control. There is literally nothing in that to give hope that this year will be any better than last year. 10 % of the population has not been vaccinated, less than 1% has had both injections of various unproven vaccinations, people are putting far too much faith in what effect these vaccinations will have on the pandemic.

if we are very very lucky, things may start getting slightly better towards the end of the year, however, masks and social distancing will be with us for sometime yet.

This is where I am with it. Almost zero chance of anything fun this year, and I think its more a case of when people accept it now. The stuff I used to enjoy is gone for a long time, and I'm well aware thats a reflection on my reliance on limited (and not important) things like gigs and travel. Those are bonuses to life and we all need to learn to be grateful for what we have day to day

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

This is where I am with it. Almost zero chance of anything fun this year, and I think its more a case of when people accept it now. The stuff I used to enjoy is gone for a long time, and I'm well aware thats a reflection on my reliance on limited (and not important) things like gigs and travel. Those are bonuses to life and we all need to learn to be grateful for what we have day to day

it's all about expectations. I'm not expecting a huge party this summer, but I think it will be a hell of a lot better than it is now.