When will this shit end?

[Mr.Tease]

8 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Why Spain and Portugal? Why not the Phillipines for example.

Also we can't help them, we have to be focused on getting our oldies done. We already have a tight enough supply as is.

Fortunately his gran had another saying "no one can do everything, but everyone can do something" 😂 I always think if you go down the route of "well why help that person if you're not helping the other" you'll just end up not helping anyone. 

If we were very short on supply (and we might be)  fair enough, but if we had a reasonable stockpile and good supply, then why not just share some of it. (to be honest even from a non-altruistic point of view, that kind of stuff benefits you further down the line-you never know when you'll be in need) 

Edited January 30, 2021 by Mr.Tease

[st dan]

19 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

Starmer has scored an own goal there, as the inevitable response will be which vulnerable or elderly group should have their vaccination delayed to allow teachers to vaccinated first

Yep, and he was (quite rightly) challenging Johnson on the terrible 100,000+ figures at PMQ, but now is actively calling to take vaccines away from the most vulnerable to give to teachers, which would then lead to further deaths. Quite a staggering and obvious contradiction. 

Edited January 30, 2021 by st dan

[Mr.Tease]

Just now, Ozanne said:

The NHS boss Simon Stevens said recently there should be a discussion on vaccinating teachers. 

They've been treated so shoddily throughout - the press have been attacking them from day one, it's been disgraceful stuff

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Fortunately his gran had another saying "no one can do everything, but everyone can do something" 😂 I always think if you go down the route of "well why help that person if you're not helping the other" you'll just end up not helping anyone. 

If we were very short on supply (and we might be)  fair enough, but of we had a reasonable stockpile and good supply, then why not just share some of it. (to be honest even from a non-altruistic point of view, that kind of stuff benefits you further down the line-you never know when you'll be in need) 

You are right especially with the last bit. But sadly this type of thing wouldn’t be accepted in this country. If we have the capacity, have vaccinated the vulnerable and are asked for help then I think they should look at what you are suggesting.

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

They've been treated so shoddily throughout - the press have been attacking them from day one, it's been disgraceful stuff

You are right again, they have been treated poorly throughout. 

[fraybentos1]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Fortunately his gran had another saying "no one can do everything, but everyone can do something" 😂 I always think if you go down the route of "well why help that person if you're not helping the other" you'll just end up not helping anyone. 

If we were very short on supply (and we might be)  fair enough, but if we had a reasonable stockpile and good supply, then why not just share some of it. (to be honest even from a non-altruistic point of view, that kind of stuff benefits you further down the line-you never know when you'll be in need) 

We clearly don't have a good stockpile or consistent supply. We are a month in to this and still ramping up our own campaign. To send 300k or whatever vaccines to spain would be insane.

[Mr.Tease]

From the guardian's feed, not great news:

Two new Covid-19 vaccines less effective against South African strain, early data suggests

Data from two coronavirus vaccine trials has indicated that they are less effective against the South African variant of coronavirus.

Clinical trial data showed that the vaccines from The vaccines from Novavax Inc and Johnson & Johnson were significantly less effective at preventing coronavirus in trial participants in South Africa, where the new variant is widespread, compared with countries where the variant is less common.

Novavax reported that results from mid-stage trials on Thursday that showed its vaccine was 50% effective overall at preventing Covid-19 among people in South Africa. In late stage results from the UK, the vaccine was up to 89.3% effective.

On Friday, Johnson & Johnson said that a single shot of its vaccine was 66% effective, judging by a large scale trial which spanned three continents. In the US, which recorded its first cases of the South African variant this week, efficacy reached 72%, but it was just 57% in South Africa, where the new variants constituted 95% of the coronavirus cases in the trial.

[fraybentos1]

Wales lower due to reporting error and NI still to declare so looks like could be another half mil (almost) day.

[Ozanne]

 

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

From the guardian's feed, not great news:

Two new Covid-19 vaccines less effective against South African strain, early data suggests

Data from two coronavirus vaccine trials has indicated that they are less effective against the South African variant of coronavirus.

Clinical trial data showed that the vaccines from The vaccines from Novavax Inc and Johnson & Johnson were significantly less effective at preventing coronavirus in trial participants in South Africa, where the new variant is widespread, compared with countries where the variant is less common.

Novavax reported that results from mid-stage trials on Thursday that showed its vaccine was 50% effective overall at preventing Covid-19 among people in South Africa. In late stage results from the UK, the vaccine was up to 89.3% effective.

On Friday, Johnson & Johnson said that a single shot of its vaccine was 66% effective, judging by a large scale trial which spanned three continents. In the US, which recorded its first cases of the South African variant this week, efficacy reached 72%, but it was just 57% in South Africa, where the new variants constituted 95% of the coronavirus cases in the trial.

Still 100% effective against hospitalizations 

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Ha thanks!

 

There was a poll saying 70% of voters want teachers vaccinated so schools won't close again. I'm guessing its populist rather than science based from him

popular, not populist.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

what about that border with N Ireland?!

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, st dan said:

Yep, and he was (quite rightly) challenging Johnson on the terrible 100,000+ figures at PMQ, but now is actively calling to take vaccines away from the most vulnerable to give to teachers, which would then lead to further deaths. Quite a staggering and obvious contradiction. 

is he? Or is he asking for them to be vaccinated after the most vulnerable (Feb 15th)?

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

The issue with schools isn't so much about the teachers being vaccinated, its more about kids spreading it to each other and then to their families. And then the resultant pressure on hospitals and deaths. If we can minimise this pressure, by vaccinating all the elderly and vulnerable first then yes start thinking about getting schools back. And then manage the spread as much as possible in schools with testing, bubbles, etc. 

Starmer has scored an own goal there, as the inevitable response will be which vulnerable or elderly group should have their vaccination delayed to allow teachers to vaccinated first

 

maybe read the article.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/its-shameful-schools-been-shut-23410384

[Ozanne]

This is a very powerful watch, 10 minutes long:

 

[stuartbert two hats]

59 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

 ...(I suspect we have some spare vaccines built up)...

 

I suspect we don't, given that we've been continuing to expand our vaccine delivery infrastructure, yet not seeing a corresponding increase in jabs.

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I suspect we don't, given that we've been continuing to expand our vaccine delivery infrastructure, yet not seeing a corresponding increase in jabs.

Think my local area might be giving me a false impression, they've been ahead of the curve a bit and seem ahead of schedule with vaccines to spare 

[Mr.Tease]

20 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Still 100% effective against hospitalizations 

Phew! Hope all the vaccines are🤞

[stuartbert two hats]

47 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Because telling parents he wants the kids back in schools ASAP wins votes 

I'm a parent whose wife and daughter are suffering hugely with the schools being shut - and I think Starmer is talking a load of rubbish.

[Crazyfool01]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

is he? Or is he asking for them to be vaccinated after the most vulnerable (Feb 15th)?

which is ahead of the vulnerable ...... and the over 60s 

[zahidf]

45 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The NHS boss Simon Stevens said recently there should be a discussion on vaccinating teachers. 

Once the over 50s are done I believe?

[zahidf]

57 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I think it was gil Scott heron who said his gran use to say "life's tough, so If you can help someone, why not?"

 

 

 

[Ozanne]

 

[Ryan1984]

 

[st dan]

12 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm a parent whose wife and daughter are suffering hugely with the schools being shut - and I think Starmer is talking a load of rubbish.

Yep, as tough as this situation is for both parents and children (and I don’t think anybody at all is doubting that it really is very challenging with both long and short term impacts) - if saving lives is your top priority then the schools simply have to remain closed for a while longer yet. 

[Toilet Duck]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

what about that border with N Ireland?!

That is and always was the problem! We asked the NI assembly about an all-island approach, but it was rejected. Coveney (our foreign minister) has been discussing a 2 island approach with London (seal the entire common travel area). What Varadkar was floating in a post on here about a week ago is the consequences of that...he usually gets wheeled out to leak stuff under consideration to see what the response might be...what he was saying would need to happen was no travel outside the UK and Ireland til about spring 2022, nobody coming home for Christmas etc...basically it would be a case of getting on top of things by summer, firming it up in Autumn, not risking letting anything in over Winter and then have at it from Spring next year when the rest of the World catches up...within the two jurisdictions, it would be managed like Oz/NZ...pretty normal on the surface, just no travel (without mandatory quarantine no matter what, and caps based on available quarantine space)...it’s a long haul, but it’s being talked about...EU wants to do it within the entire block, but feeling here is that it won’t work, but could between the UK and Ireland since we are islands...depends on what London thinks (though hotel quarantine has begun to enter the picture, depends on how far you go with it, but if you have your vaccination programme finished by Mid-summer/Autumn, do you want to risk new variants coming in that send you back to the start?...I don’t know if it would, but it’s a risk (hence it’s over when it’s over for everyone))...