When will this shit end?

[MEGABOWL]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

Nicola Sturgeon also said that her understanding was that the Indian strain of coronavirus was no more transmissible and no more likely to evade vaccines.

“At the moment it is a variant of interest as opposed to a variant of concern but I think the thing we’ve got to recognise about Covid is that it is mutating and we are seeing new variants appear in different parts of the world,” she told Sophy Ridge on Sunday, on Sky News.

“We don’t know where the variants of real concern are going to come from which is why an approach to international travel that tries to categorise risk with some countries categorised as red list countries and other countries deemed to be safer, I think poses a risk because none of us know right now where the next variant that might be problematic is going to occur.”

She’s obsessed with foreign travel and the border with England. Probably Srdhar in her ear for the former and elements of her base driving the latter.

Needs somebody to tell her that decisions on Foreign travel/Quarantine etc have to be taken and effected U.K.-wide

[mcshed]

26 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

Needs somebody to tell her that decisions on Foreign travel/Quarantine etc have to be taken and effected U.K.-wide

She'd love that, a telling off from Westminster during an election campaign would get her supporters really excited.

[Guest]

Vaccination update:

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, MEGABOWL said:

She’s obsessed with foreign travel and the border with England. Probably Srdhar in her ear for the former and elements of her base driving the latter.

Needs somebody to tell her that decisions on Foreign travel/Quarantine etc have to be taken and effected U.K.-wide

Sturgeon for president.

[Mimo]

2 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Way to slap the face of the scientists and pharmaceutical giants getting us out of this mess who deserve to be handsomely rewarded for their incredible work.

 

Fake SAGE can get in the bin. 

Hello sorry don’t follow this thread too closely but I gotta know, is this a serious post or a troll post?

[eFestivals]

On 4/9/2021 at 3:02 PM, StuMalinas said:

making jokes about Prince Philip is not funny. 

Are we allowed to mention that his sisters married proper nazis. 

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Mimo said:

Hello sorry don’t follow this thread too closely but I gotta know, is this a serious post or a troll post?

I ask myself that question frequently. Sadly, I think this post is genuine.

[JoeyT]

Signs of another big drop coming?

 

[Crazyfool01]

friend has been told he cant see his mum because of a couple of cases  in her care home .... lets hope these vaccines do the job ... and it wasnt a carer that took it in ... 

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 hours ago, Mimo said:

Hello sorry don’t follow this thread too closely but I gotta know, is this a serious post or a troll post?

 

The first lockdown in the UK was less than 13 months ago, Covid was unheard of 16 months ago, yet we already have an abundance of wonderful vaccines and more than half of the UK adult population have been immunised. Do you know why that is? It's because we have wonderful scientists and pharmaceutical companies who paired together to create, test and manufacture these vaccines.

 

If you let every Tom, Dick and Harry make poundshop versions of them, then when the next pandemic of Fluvid-25 or whatever hits, these people won't even bother to make vaccines.

 

Vaccine patents MUST be protected to respect the tireless work of those who delivered the vaccines.

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

If you let every Tom, Dick and Harry make poundshop versions of them, then when the next pandemic of Fluvid-25 or whatever hits, these people won't even bother to make vaccines.

Absolute nonsense.

[Mr.Tease]

22 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

The first lockdown in the UK was less than 13 months ago, Covid was unheard of 16 months ago, yet we already have an abundance of wonderful vaccines and more than half of the UK adult population have been immunised. Do you know why that is? It's because we have wonderful scientists and pharmaceutical companies who paired together to create, test and manufacture these vaccines.

 

If you let every Tom, Dick and Harry make poundshop versions of them, then when the next pandemic of Fluvid-25 or whatever hits, these people won't even bother to make vaccines.

 

Vaccine patents MUST be protected to respect the tireless work of those who delivered the vaccines.

The creator of the Oxford vaccine was specifically motivated by a desire to make it a global vaccine, patent free and sold at cost price. Not everyone is motivated by greed. 

Do you really believe big pharma wouldn’t bother trying to make a vaccine during a deadly pandemic? Even the greediest realise if tens of millions die and the global economy stops, then there is no money to be made.

[stuartbert two hats]

13 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

The creator of the Oxford vaccine was specifically motivated by a desire to make it a global vaccine, patent free and sold at cost price. Not everyone is motivated by greed. 

Do you really believe big pharma wouldn’t bother trying to make a vaccine during a deadly pandemic? Even the greediest realise if tens of millions die and the global economy stops, then there is no money to be made.

If nothing else, the Governments of the world will make them.

[steviewevie]

4 hours ago, Mimo said:

Hello sorry don’t follow this thread too closely but I gotta know, is this a serious post or a troll post?

BET NOW!

[steviewevie]

45 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

The creator of the Oxford vaccine was specifically motivated by a desire to make it a global vaccine, patent free and sold at cost price. Not everyone is motivated by greed. 

Do you really believe big pharma wouldn’t bother trying to make a vaccine during a deadly pandemic? Even the greediest realise if tens of millions die and the global economy stops, then there is no money to be made.

surely they will want to make one of the mRNA ones patent free.

Actually - with all this patent free vaccine thing is complicated, right? Does that mean can me manufactured anywhere? Aren't there limited raw materials for this stuff? It is very wrong how these vaccines are being distributed though.

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 hour ago, Mr.Tease said:

The creator of the Oxford vaccine was specifically motivated by a desire to make it a global vaccine, patent free and sold at cost price. Not everyone is motivated by greed. 

Do you really believe big pharma wouldn’t bother trying to make a vaccine during a deadly pandemic? Even the greediest realise if tens of millions die and the global economy stops, then there is no money to be made.

Wanting to be adequately compensated for a genuine life saving discovery =/= greed 

[Homer]

16 hours ago, stuie said:

If you can do spin with a face covering on you aren’t doing it right! Even if it’s focused on resistance and not sprints. 
 

Bloody stupid to expect people to even try and do that. If you go in a spin studio, you are surely aware of the risks and making your own risk assessment. 

You only have to wear the mask when moving between equipment, not when exercising. Also, that class was outdoors (indoor classes are still banned).

[Fuzzy Afro]

Fake SAGE continuing to love the limelight 

[Mimo]

12 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

The first lockdown in the UK was less than 13 months ago, Covid was unheard of 16 months ago, yet we already have an abundance of wonderful vaccines and more than half of the UK adult population have been immunised. Do you know why that is? It's because we have wonderful scientists and pharmaceutical companies who paired together to create, test and manufacture these vaccines.

 

If you let every Tom, Dick and Harry make poundshop versions of them, then when the next pandemic of Fluvid-25 or whatever hits, these people won't even bother to make vaccines.

 

Vaccine patents MUST be protected to respect the tireless work of those who delivered the vaccines.

So protecting corporate profits is more important than ending the pandemic as expeditiously as possible saving tens of thousands of lives. Because if we don’t ensure big pharmaceutical companies make tens of billions in profits they won’t do a vaccine next time and then we’ll be sorry. Is what you’re saying. 

[steviewevie]

Bojo's trip to India is off.

[steviewevie]

A Christina Pagel thread to argue over.

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

44 minutes ago, Mimo said:

So protecting corporate profits is more important than ending the pandemic as expeditiously as possible saving tens of thousands of lives. Because if we don’t ensure big pharmaceutical companies make tens of billions in profits they won’t do a vaccine next time and then we’ll be sorry. Is what you’re saying. 

Exactly. 

[DeanoL]

On 4/16/2021 at 2:33 PM, Fuzzy Afro said:

This is not an “ethical issue”

 

The reason these people aren’t vaccinated is because they’re young and healthy. They will get vaccinated in due course to reduce transmission but there is no ethical issue with asking young unvaccinated people to go to the office just like there’s no ethical issue with allowing them to go to pubs. 

There's very little difference between morbidity between 40-somethings and 20/30-somethings. The difference is small enough that the 40-something manager who gets to work from home until they're vaccinated will be at a lower overall risk than the 30-something reportee who is forced to go back into the office before being vaccinated.

Luckily many companies are recoginising this but the bad ones are not. Some of them can't even understand it.

On 4/16/2021 at 3:59 PM, sisco said:

That is a headache.  I’m recruiting for 2 more staff at the moment, volunteers to be their mentor isn’t forthcoming so..... how to persuade/force 2 to come in pretty much perm whilst the others are mostly working from home is going to be fun!!

Try doing some of the training remotely? You may find the people you normally have train newbies aren't keen to do that as they don't have the skills, but some of the people who wouldn't normally do that sort of thing might actually be really good at it when done remotely.

On 4/16/2021 at 7:36 PM, Zoo Music Girl said:

If they have internet usage monitoring in the office, surely they can do it at home too via the VPN?

I dunno, I just find it weird that people seem to think everyone in the office is constantly working. I've worked with tons of people who I can see are doing anything but (and have been guilty of it myself). 

It's bizarre that's it's coming from the same people arguing that they miss the office because of the "social" parts of it. "Social" meaning "not working".

Yeah, I miss the social bits of the office too. Having a chat with a colleague you're sat next too about something for 20 minutes, going to get a coffee and taking ten minutes to sit down with another colleague while you drink it... all nice experiences. All very much "not working". Yes, many of us have substituted those chats for taking five minutes to check in on this thread. Studies have been done into this. The average employee is productive for 3 hours a day: https://codebots.com/library/way-of-working/how-many-hours-a-day-are-workers-productive

 

[DeanoL]

On 4/17/2021 at 12:38 PM, gizmoman said:

"Any pregnant woman that puts that in her body is a mug" maybe a provocative statement but I can't disagree, I would image most pregnant women are between 18 and 40 so are at very low risk from Covid

Err, no. Plenty of people between 18 and 40 are still at high risk from COVID because of underlying conditions, and pregnancy itself increases the risk. So no, a woman is not a "mug" for putting her own life before that of her unborn child.

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

There's very little difference between morbidity between 40-somethings and 20/30-somethings. The difference is small enough that the 40-something manager who gets to work from home until they're vaccinated will be at a lower overall risk than the 30-something reportee who is forced to go back into the office before being vaccinated.

Luckily many companies are recoginising this but the bad ones are not. Some of them can't even understand it.

Try doing some of the training remotely? You may find the people you normally have train newbies aren't keen to do that as they don't have the skills, but some of the people who wouldn't normally do that sort of thing might actually be really good at it when done remotely.

It's bizarre that's it's coming from the same people arguing that they miss the office because of the "social" parts of it. "Social" meaning "not working".

Yeah, I miss the social bits of the office too. Having a chat with a colleague you're sat next too about something for 20 minutes, going to get a coffee and taking ten minutes to sit down with another colleague while you drink it... all nice experiences. All very much "not working". Yes, many of us have substituted those chats for taking five minutes to check in on this thread. Studies have been done into this. The average employee is productive for 3 hours a day: https://codebots.com/library/way-of-working/how-many-hours-a-day-are-workers-productive

 

Neither of those groups are at any significant risk though. If they were they’d have been vaccinated months ago. 
 

Covid is a non-issue for healthy people below 50.