When will this shit end?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, duke88 said:

I think the ‘offer’ bit refers to all the vulnerable being done. If they have 13m vaccines ready to go, they’ll use them all - even if some of them have to go to people working at the vaccination centre, they won’t allow any to go to waste.

My partners mum got a Pzier vaccine done the other week. She works as admin in a drs surgery. Their surgery was allocated one jab a day and when it got to the stage that nobody on the list wanted a jab (but it needed using) it was offered up to staff at the surgery. She got it after the drs etc... But they weren't going to let it go to waste. 

It was the end of the day and basically there is a jab going spare today do you want it your not vuberable but your the next most vuberable person we have working here. 

[zahidf]

Just now, Ozanne said:

No idea, how can I possibly know that?

As I said if they had said at the beginning their target was to offer x amount of vaccines by 15th Feb then great. But they said their target is to vaccinate by that date and now they are changing their wording on that target. It doesn't really give off the image of a trustworthy government.

Its a small change because they realise some people may not turn up for the appointment 

 

The stats say number of people vaccinated anyway. 

I'm happy to have a go at the govt. I dont see this as one of those times.

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Are you saying a smaller target will get more people vaccinated? Why?

The number of people who get vaccinated will be the same in either scenario. They are working to the maximum capacity and speed they possibly can. In fact, missing an over ambitious target is more likely to lower morale and mean people get more fed up meaning productivity gets lower.

I will eat my hat if we make the target for mid feb.

[parsonjack]

There was something on our local news (Points West) last night about how they've completed jabbing the over 80's in Stroud, and expect to have the over 50's done within next month.  Seems to suggest that where you live could determine when you get it....and that smaller communities or areas with a lower proportion of elderly will get down to the lower tiers quicker than elsewhere.

[FestivalJamie]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

It doesn't really give off the image of a trustworthy government.

After the last 10 months I’ve lost trust in everything they do or say...

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, FestivalJamie said:

The number of people who get vaccinated will be the same in either scenario. They are working to the maximum capacity and speed they possibly can. In fact, missing an over ambitious target is more likely to lower morale and mean people get more fed up meaning productivity gets lower.

I will eat my hat if we make the target for mid feb.

Well not really. People work up to their target. Reaching a small target is worse in this instance than just missing a large target.

[Toilet Duck]

8 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Dunno who that is but I’m fed up of the overpromising. They do it over and over again and then things just get worse. I honestly feel lower in this first week of 2021 than I did in 2020.

We're at (or near) rock bottom at the moment dude, definitely the darkest part of the pandemic, so completely understandable that you feel worse now than earlier...but we've been thrown a rope. It will end, hang in there. 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Toilet Duck
clarification!

[xxialac]

I too am fed up with the ridiculous need to exaggerate everything. It doesn't drive success, no proof of that.

And it's not done to achieve more. It's done to grab newspaper headlines and win votes of people who don't delve deeper.

Exhibit A:

"The UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn. The plans had the potential to grow the UK’s testing capacity from the current 350 000 a day to up to 10,000,000 tests a day by early 2021".

Reality A:

We've grown from 350,000 to 550,000 (a pitiful 5.5% of the target...)

[parsonjack]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I will eat my hat if we make the target for mid feb.

Can we have that live at the next meet on the farm?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

whilst they can quite easily fuck up .... as has been proven many times .... some people might prefer in this instance to remain as positive as possible .... that is also allowed , no reason in my eyes to shut down hope ... lets see how things go and in 1 months time you can tell us that you have been right .... and I will happily agree or disagree with you 

I can be positive about how things might be but still doubt and not trust the government over what they say. They lie over and over again, they don't deserve anyones trust. That doesn't mean people can't be positive.

[FestivalJamie]

Just now, Toilet Duck said:

We're at rock bottom at the moment dude, definitely the darkest part of the pandemic, so completely understandable that you feel worse now than earlier...but we've been thrown a rope. It will end, hang in there. 

Thanks 🙂

For me, I’m hoping to be able to go on a holiday maybe later this year. I won’t be going back to mass events until I’ve got my vaccine anyway, so probs not til 2022. But hopefully the whole year won’t be so dark.

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, parsonjack said:

Can we have that live at the next meet on the farm?

Yes you can 😜

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

After the last 10 months I’ve lost trust in everything they do or say...

I'd rather have a go at them for failing at a target, rather than potentially failing.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, parsonjack said:

Can we have that live at the next meet on the farm?

Ive got a perfect hat .... It has a nice covid spike on the top 🙂 

[stuartbert two hats]

25 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

if lockdown works...she's questioned if will work well enough to get R below 1 with new variant...

Cases are already showing signs of falling in London.  Plus we are vaccinating people.  She's probably right about the rest, but it does look like lockdown is enough to get R below 1.  But I totally agree with the underlying point - we can get the R lower faster by offering proper support for people to isolate.

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Well not really. People work up to their target. Reaching a small target is worse in this instance than just missing a large target.

I wish I lived in your utopian world where having an ambitious nebulous target for a whole country (NB: for something you want to do anyway) has a material effect on the outcome at an individual level.

It's also worth noting that no one is adding up all the potential centres and clinics  and giving them each individual targets that add up to 13m.

It's all about projection to this lot.

If they really wanted to improve the numbers, they could a) run a more slick logistics operation and b) financially incentivise private providers with bonuses for working weekends etc.

[zahidf]

Boris telling covid protestors to grow up was pretty good by him 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

I wish I lived in your utopian world where having an ambitious nebulous target for a whole country (NB: for something you want to do anyway) has a material effect on the outcome at an individual level.

It's also worth noting that no one is adding up all the potential centres and clinics  and giving them each individual targets that add up to 13m.

It's all about projection to this lot.

If they really wanted to improve the numbers, they could a) run a more slick logistics operation and b) financially incentivise private providers with bonuses for working weekends etc.

And made sure it didn't snow.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I wish I lived in your utopian world where having an ambitious nebulous target for a whole country (NB: for something you want to do anyway) has a material effect on the outcome at an individual level.

It's also worth noting that no one is adding up all the potential centres and clinics  and giving them each individual targets that add up to 13m.

It's all about projection to this lot.

If they really wanted to improve the numbers, they could a) run a more slick logistics operation and b) financially incentivise private providers with bonuses for working weekends etc.

Oh I agree with that. Maybe thats what having an ambitious national target everyone is asking about will make that happen?

Edited January 7, 2021 by zahidf

[Copperface]

22 minutes ago, zahidf said:

But... having a big target is a good idea.

 

That makes sense logically.

Any target set should be specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and time limited.

It hits one of those criteria.

[xxialac]

Just now, zahidf said:

Oh I agree with that. Maybe thats what having an ambitious national everyone is asking about will make that happen?

Yeah I hope they will do that. 

Also agree with you on Johnson's comments on the protestors. Fair play, for once.

[xxialac]

Just now, Copperface said:

Any target set should be specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and time limited.

It hits one of those criteria.

Damn smart!

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Just now, Copperface said:

Any target set should be specific, measurable, achievable, realistic and time limited.

It hits one of those criteria.

Never thought I'd see SMART objectives mentioned on this site. 

[Copperface]

Just now, xxialac said:

Damn smart!

When you know, you know.

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

We're at (or near) rock bottom at the moment dude, definitely the darkest part of the pandemic, so completely understandable that you feel worse now than earlier...but we've been thrown a rope. It will end, hang in there. 

I've said this before, and it's kind of a pointless thing to say, but what the hell would we do if we didn't have these vaccines?! What would have done if was 10, or 20, or 30 years ago? Just had a lot of death I guess.