When will this shit end?

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

For a more modern comparison and one that is very relevant to Liverpool fans like yourself. The current death rate is the equivalent of 5 Hillsborough tragedies every day. 
 

When you see it in real terms you get an idea of how bad things actually are. 

It really does, it’s so sad it’s become a thing where we are desensitised to 500 deaths a day now. 

[Ryan1984]

What’s the quote - ‘When one person dies, it’s a tragedy. When a thousand die, it’s a statistic’? I’m still fully aware 500+ are dying daily. It’s awful.

On a different note, I see the DCMS are advertising this short-term role. Wonder if this is the start of communicating a plan of how shows, gigs and events start to come back?

https://www.publicsectorresourcing.co.uk/job/d63f60ee-5fb2-49fe-87a4-6034a4b041b3

[Mr.Tease]

5 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

What’s the quote - ‘When one person dies, it’s a tragedy. When a thousand die, it’s a statistic’? I’m still fully aware 500+ are dying daily. It’s awful.

On a different note, I see the DCMS are advertising this short-term role. Wonder if this is the start of communicating a plan of how shows, gigs and events start to come back?

https://www.publicsectorresourcing.co.uk/job/d63f60ee-5fb2-49fe-87a4-6034a4b041b3

 

2020 ends with people thinking Stalin made quite a good point actually when justifying his mass murder!

 

(joke, I know what you’re saying, people do become de-sensitised to the numbers after a while, I think it’s just a self-defense thing against the horror- it’s just this year has taken such a dark turn!)

[zahidf]

[efcfanwirral]

12 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I genuinely hate this country. This idea that letting it spread at Christmas will make compliance worse is on the people for me. The government should never have said it so early but people should also never have expected it to be stuck to regardless of the reality on the ground. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[steviewevie]

You can do it, but don't do it.

[Zoo Music Girl]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

You can do it, but don't do it.

We are back in March with the pubs advice again aren't we?

[Guest]

Or like with Mother’s Day, you can see your Mum but don’t. 

[efcfanwirral]

Actually on this compliance thing- surely when the vast majority are completely fine after mixing at Christmas they will be more likely to break the rules again because of that?

[Fuzzy Afro]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/covid-belgium-care-home-santa-b1773673.html?utm_source=reddit.com
 

Superspreading Santa clause visits Belgian care home leading to 75 positive tests. 

[xxialac]

21 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Actually on this compliance thing- surely when the vast majority are completely fine after mixing at Christmas they will be more likely to break the rules again because of that?

Stop being logical!

[zahidf]

Delays on vaccine numbers apparently because of legal permission issues

 

[zahidf]

20 min over the counter test approved in the US

 

[Leyrulion]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Delays on vaccine numbers apparently because of legal permission issues

 

Not least of those will be that the low numbers so far could make people identifiable. 

Oh one 90 year old female in a care home has been vaccinated in my local area, "Hey Maureen, grown two heads yet?"

[efcfanwirral]

It's definitely going on anyway - my Grandad gets his tomorrow! 

[Reckoner]

Decent opinion piece, although nothing in there that isn’t already obvious to most who aren’t part of your government.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/14/herd-immunity-boris-johnson-coronavirus

The root cause of this xmas debacle goes further back, but imagine on September  17^th, a day of 3300 cases ( already up from 1000 in August) that instead of seeking advice from herd immunity zealots like Anders Tegnall, that plans were put in place to drive the cases down and provide a chance for the local lockdowns and contact tracers to actually have some effect. This is the date that the government inability to make a hard and/or correct decision caused the current problems, but also all of the problems of early next year. (and probably the date that led to a situation where GFL 2021 doesn’t go ahead.)

20k cases a day has made much harder the task of trying to balance the reduction of restrictions as the Vaccine is rolled out and any benefits in reducing death and hospitalisations are realised.  It’s made the vaccine rollout itself harder as you need to make sure that the you aren’t exposing to vulnerable to the virus before the vaccine has had a chance to protect them. From a resource/operational point of view, it affects the ability of those involved in the process from nurses to logistics people to drivers in being available to work instead of isolating or being hospitalised.

On September 16^th I said in response to the rising cases “if you think this ends well, you haven’t been paying attention” and I couldn’t even spell epidemiology at the start of the year, so what the f… do I even know compared to people with actual knowledge like Whitty and Vallance (and Toiletduck obviously…) My viewpoint is obviously heavily influence as an Australian based in Singapore, but with an eye on the UK due to GFL but it just blows my mind how pathetically this has been dealt with from the very first moment.

This post doesn't really add much, but has been very cathartic. 

[eFestivals]

9 hours ago, zahidf said:

that headline should be...

Boris refuses to be known forever as the PM who cancelled Christmas.

[MrBarry465]

 

3 hours ago, Gregfc15 said:

Decent opinion piece, although nothing in there that isn’t already obvious to most who aren’t part of your government.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/14/herd-immunity-boris-johnson-coronavirus

The root cause of this xmas debacle goes further back, but imagine on September  17^th, a day of 3300 cases ( already up from 1000 in August) that instead of seeking advice from herd immunity zealots like Anders Tegnall, that plans were put in place to drive the cases down and provide a chance for the local lockdowns and contact tracers to actually have some effect. This is the date that the government inability to make a hard and/or correct decision caused the current problems, but also all of the problems of early next year. (and probably the date that led to a situation where GFL 2021 doesn’t go ahead.)

20k cases a day has made much harder the task of trying to balance the reduction of restrictions as the Vaccine is rolled out and any benefits in reducing death and hospitalisations are realised.  It’s made the vaccine rollout itself harder as you need to make sure that the you aren’t exposing to vulnerable to the virus before the vaccine has had a chance to protect them. From a resource/operational point of view, it affects the ability of those involved in the process from nurses to logistics people to drivers in being available to work instead of isolating or being hospitalised.

On September 16^th I said in response to the rising cases “if you think this ends well, you haven’t been paying attention” and I couldn’t even spell epidemiology at the start of the year, so what the f… do I even know compared to people with actual knowledge like Whitty and Vallance (and Toiletduck obviously…) My viewpoint is obviously heavily influence as an Australian based in Singapore, but with an eye on the UK due to GFL but it just blows my mind how pathetically this has been dealt with from the very first moment.

This post doesn't really add much, but has been very cathartic. 

As someone who has been living in the UK for the last 8 hears and is now back in Australia temporarily, the way the 2 countries have handled the virus has been literally night and day. Whilst I've not agreed with every decision the Australian government has made, they have at least formulated a plan and stuck to it. The UK governments pathetic back and fourth, has been obscene to watch. 

Case in point, travel over summer. There was absolutely no need for people to be encouraged / empowered to go travelling over the summer months. That was the biggest mistake, as you are then creating a situation where the number of infected in the country is changing hourly.. The border should have been open for returning nationals and not for people nipping back and fourth from Greece / Spain for a few days.

Its the half way solutions to everything that have been the most frustrating and then this creates the problem of suddenly needing to make panicked decisions at the last minute.

Edited December 16, 2020 by MrBarry465

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

 

As someone who has been living in the UK for the last 8 hears and is now back in Australia temporarily, the way the 2 countries have handled the virus has been literally night and day. Whilst I've not agreed with every decision the Australian government has made, they have at least formulated a plan and stuck to it. The UK governments pathetic back and fourth, has been obscene to watch. 

Case in point, travel over summer. There was absolutely no need for people to be encouraged / empowered to go travelling over the summer months. That was the biggest mistake, as you are then creating a situation where the number of infected in the country is changing hourly.. The border should have been open for returning nationals and not for people nipping back and fourth from Greece / Spain for a few days.

Its the half way solutions to everything that have been the most frustrating and then this creates the problem of suddenly needing to make panicked decisions at the last minute.

while Spaffer and co have been utterly shit you're still comparing apples with oranges. The UK is not Australia and couldn't have worked anything like the same plan.

[Ryan1984]

13 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

that headline should be...

Boris refuses to be known forever as the PM who cancelled Christmas.

One u-turn he won’t perform after telling people there’d be ‘some kind of normality’ by now back in the summer...

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

that headline should be...

Boris refuses to be known forever as the PM who cancelled Christmas.

he'll own the 3rd wave in Jan/Feb if we get one after christmas.

[steviewevie]

maybe the stricter messaging over christmas get togethers will work and enough people will be more careful which will avoid a big rise in cases. Just have to see.

[MrBarry465]

15 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

while Spaffer and co have been utterly shit you're still comparing apples with oranges. The UK is not Australia and couldn't have worked anything like the same plan.

 

I don't need some anecdote about how the population density is vastly different or the scale of the counties in land mass.

Please focus on my main point, which is that the British government were unable to stick to a formulated plan. I'm not saying they should have followed the same plan as the Australian govenernment, the comparison was made on ability to decide and execute a plan.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

he'll own the 3rd wave in Jan/Feb if we get one after christmas.

nah (although I wish for him to own anything he's responsible for).

It's not going to be Spaffer who risks spreading covid to your gran.

 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Less than half of the population predicted to be vaccinated next year... 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-less-than-half-of-uk-population-could-be-vaccinated-in-2021-spending-watchdog-says-12162805