Headliners 2016

[bamber]

On 15/11/2015, 09:40:06, eFestivals said:

Hmmm ... Price seeing a report by Which, that efests had publicised? Is Prince reading efests?

Perhaps he is, and he refuses to play Glasto cos I keep slagging him off here.

 

Yeah, about that, please stop slagging him off. He is sort of the last on a very much otherwise fulfilled* list for me at least.

(* and Lauryn Hill obviously)

 

[eFestivals]

11 hours ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

So, er, no, it doesn't - as you say, Glastonbury "wasn't bothered"; and the Muse & Foos examples prove it. Glastonbury doesn't have tickets to sell in the way the other Fests do.

 

11 hours ago, TheSilence said:

I'm pretty sure your story about Jay-Z has just proved your original answer wrong

Nope.

My words were against a statement that said "Playing Wembley has nowt to do with whether an act will or won't play G.", and not the other way around.

It doesn't necessarily impact onto the chances of a Glastonbury appearance (because that's ultimately decided by the words in a contract that an act is prepared to sign) but any promoter of any Wembley should would rather the act wasn't playing competing shows. Simple business sense makes that an absolute.

 

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

Explain Muse and the Foos then (and Coldplay next year), you "berk". And what about the fact that just about every headliner does big shows elsewhere in England? Or do the promoters only care about Wembley shows for some reason?

Reading/Leeds headliners don't play competing shows as far as possible, that's something Melvin always tries to work to.

There are a few exceptions, tho there's limits on how much influence the cheque Melvin is waving is able to have.

R/L isn't the only festival that tries to tie acts into non-compete clauses.

 

Edited November 20, 2015 by eFestivals

[jackarmy]

5 hours ago, bamber said:

Yeah, about that, please stop slagging him off. He is sort of the last on a very much otherwise fulfilled* list for me at least.

(* and Lauryn Hill obviously)

 

Brilliant. This and Rick James are two of the finest sketches ever.

[Alan_C]

Mumford doing BST. They say they have no other UK festivals booked and they'll probably only do that. It could change mind, lets hope for everyones sake around the UK, that they already have the headliners booked

"It’s certainly the only thing we’re planning right now. I think, to do a big one like that, you do want to focus not only everyone’s attention on it, but our own as well. It’s quite good, from within a band, just to pull back the moment. I don’t think we want to dilute it for our own minds, or anyone else’s. So that’s likely to be the only thing, I think."
Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/mumford-and-sons/89822?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mumford#PY35gwWjd1dF5yeJ.99

[Mezhyp1]

Wouldnt mind seeing Alabama Shakes back after their rain soaked set last year, probably unlikely though, as for Wolf Alice, who knows, they are very up and coming so playing a few years in a row isn't ridiculous to suggest

[stocky3000]

Would be the third year for them in a row but I fully expect them to be there early evening on other I'd imagine

[Brave Sir Robin]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Nope.

My words were against a statement that said "Playing Wembley has nowt to do with whether an act will or won't play G.", and not the other way around.

It doesn't necessarily impact onto the chances of a Glastonbury appearance (because that's ultimately decided by the words in a contract that an act is prepared to sign) but any promoter of any Wembley should would rather the act wasn't playing competing shows. Simple business sense makes that an absolute.

So "Playing Wembley has nowt to do with whether an act will or won't play G." is wrong but "It doesn't necessarily impact onto the chances of a Glastonbury appearance" is right. Er, OK. 

And promoters of any show would rather the act wasn't playing competing shows. Simple business sense. And yet most headliners at G play other large shows (Foos were scheduled to play Wembley; Muse did; The Oo, Arcade Fire, Stones, Stevie Wonder all played Hyde Park etc etc).

As for the R/L stuff, yes, but that's a different festival and a different story.

As we are agreed that playing Wembley doesn't mean an act isn't playing Glastonbury, perhaps we can get back to the question at hand. Or to writing lists...

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

So "Playing Wembley has nowt to do with whether an act will or won't play G." is wrong but "It doesn't necessarily impact onto the chances of a Glastonbury appearance" is right. Er, OK. 

And promoters of any show would rather the act wasn't playing competing shows. Simple business sense. And yet most headliners at G play other large shows (Foos were scheduled to play Wembley; Muse did; The Oo, Arcade Fire, Stones, Stevie Wonder all played Hyde Park etc etc).

As for the R/L stuff, yes, but that's a different festival and a different story.

As we are agreed that playing Wembley doesn't mean an act isn't playing Glastonbury, perhaps we can get back to the question at hand. Or to writing lists...

I'm making the point that promoters can - and DO!!! - put restrictions on what other shows that band can do. Quite often the contracts they sign do not allow them to do other shows.

R/L is not "another story", it's exactly the same story - particularly when it's the same guy (Melvin) in charge of both.

Promoters want to protect their investment in promoting that band.

Playing Wembley doesn't automatically rule a band out, but it makes it more likely that the band will be ruled out.

What aren't you getting?

[Brave Sir Robin]

Just now, eFestivals said:

I'm making the point that promoters can - and DO!!! - put restrictions on what other shows that band can do. Quite often the contracts they sign do not allow them to do other shows.

R/L is not "another story", it's exactly the same story - particularly when it's the same guy (Melvin) in charge of both.

Promoters want to protect their investment in promoting that band.

Playing Wembley doesn't automatically rule a band out, but it makes it more likely that the band will be ruled out.

What aren't you getting?

OK, you want an argument, fine.

Of course promoters can and do just that. And YET! Most Glastonbury headliners play other big shows, sometimes Wembley, sometimes Hyde Park, sometimes elsewhere.

Glastonbury is not as much of a problem for promoters as other festivals because the tickets are already sold and they can therefore hold back the announcement until March/April - it's not likely to influence punters when the concert tickets go on sale. Yet despite this you say that R/L is "exactly the same story" as Glastonbury? And that Melvin's "in charge of both"? Wtf?

Presumably you meant to refer to Melvin's position at Wembley - but that didn't seem to cause any problem with the Foos booking 2 shows at Wembley alongside their Glastonbury slot. And Coldplay are now playing Wembley, so are they likely to be ruled out of G for next year? I don't think so. If they play as expected then the evidence (at least of recent years) is pretty weak for suggesting that playing Wembley makes a band unlikely for Glastonbury.

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

OK, you want an argument, fine.

Of course promoters can and do just that. And YET! Most Glastonbury headliners play other big shows, sometimes Wembley, sometimes Hyde Park, sometimes elsewhere.

Yep ... but that's completely ignoring all of the other bands who don't headline Glastonbury in any year because they have contracts which say they can't.

The Libs last year had a contract that said they couldn't do Glasto. The only reason they did was because Michael phoned Melvin and asked Melvin to do him the favour of allowing it. Melvin would have only said yes because he was either happy with how sales had gone up to that point, or because he felt that The Libs on TV would give his sales a boost.

Last year Glasto tried to get Fleetwood Mac. They instead decided to sign a restrictive contract with IoW which didnb't allow them to play Glasto.

I know for certain that Coldplay have said no to Glasto in the past because of the restrictive contract they'd signed for other shows, too.

Etc, etc, etc.

The fact of a band playing Wembley very definitely reduces their chances of also being at Glasto the same year.

[eFestivals]

22 minutes ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

Glastonbury is not as much of a problem for promoters as other festivals because the tickets are already sold and they can therefore hold back the announcement until March/April - it's not likely to influence punters when the concert tickets go on sale. Yet despite this you say that R/L is "exactly the same story" as Glastonbury? And that Melvin's "in charge of both"? Wtf?

I agree, that because of how Glasto's sales are done it reduces the impact of them playing Glasto on o6ther shows - but it still impacts. If someone has a Glasto ticket and the band they wants to see is playing Wembley, they may hold off buying that Wembley ticket because they hope they'll be at Glasyto. It very definitely impacts - as can be seen by plenty of posts on these forums saying that.

Melvin is in charge of R/L and Wembley, to clarify what you've got confused about.

[eFestivals]

30 minutes ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

Presumably you meant to refer to Melvin's position at Wembley - but that didn't seem to cause any problem with the Foos booking 2 shows at Wembley alongside their Glastonbury slot. And Coldplay are now playing Wembley, so are they likely to be ruled out of G for next year? I don't think so. If they play as expected then the evidence (at least of recent years) is pretty weak for suggesting that playing Wembley makes a band unlikely for Glastonbury.

Something has to be booked first.

It might be the case that when the Foos started talking about playing Wembley they were already signed for Glasto.

Or alternatively, they told Melvin they wouldn't sign a restrictive clause for Wembley because they were determined to play other shows elsewhere that year.

What we don't know is what impact the fact of them playing Glasto had on what was booked for Wembley. If they weren't booked for Glasto, might they have announced another Wembley show? It's quite possible.

All the same applies with Coldplay.

The band is ultimately in control of what they do, but promoters will still try and work things to that promoters benefit. There is a limit to the demand for any band, and if some of that demand is covered by shows elsewhere, then further shows can't tap into that covered-elsewhere demand.

 

Edited November 20, 2015 by eFestivals

[Brave Sir Robin]

To conclude, a band playing Wembley or other large venue may have signed a contract that prevents them from playing Glastonbury.Or they may not, and bands play both every year. So learning that a band is playing a large venue doesn't give us any reliable indicator either way.

Other festival headliners, such as the Libs and Mac examples given above, are different in that any exclusivity is usually advertised. (Such exclusivity sometimes turns out to be BS, particularly with smaller acts, but that's a whole other issue.)

Can we go back to who the headliners will be now? Looks very much like Coldpay and Muse, but Neil, if you had to bet today, who'd you say for the third slot? Adele? Roses? Someone else?

[wilem]

20 hours ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

Just for jeffie:

Henry's dream

Tender prey

Your funeral my trial

Abbatoir Blues

Push the sky away

Boatman's call

Let love in

No more shall we part

Murder ballads

From her to eternity

The good son

Kicking against the pricks

The firstborn is dead

Dig lazarus dig

Nocturama

 

 

This is just wrong though... Abattoir Blues is definitely the top dog

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

To conclude, a band playing Wembley or other large venue may have signed a contract that prevents them from playing Glastonbury.Or they may not, and bands play both every year. So learning that a band is playing a large venue doesn't give us any reliable indicator either way.

It is an indicator that they're less likely to headline Glasto than a band headliner-status band known to be on tour but who isn't known to be playing Wembley or other shows that tend to have restrictive clauses.

1 hour ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

Other festival headliners, such as the Libs and Mac examples given above, are different in that any exclusivity is usually advertised.

exclusivity gets advertised for wembley shows too sometimes ... tho its also the case that if its not mentioned it doesn't mean its not there.

 

1 hour ago, Brave Sir Robin said:

Can we go back to who the headliners will be now? Looks very much like Coldpay and Muse, but Neil, if you had to bet today, who'd you say for the third slot? Adele? Roses? Someone else?

not the roses. Adele.

[kingcrawler]

 

 

Edited November 20, 2015 by kingcrawler

[A Guy Called Matt]

5 minutes ago, kingcrawler said:

 

 

Well at least I know one night I will not be at the Pyramid... hopefully EWF or someone like that will be on at West Holts

[Alan_C]

 Hmmm Coldplay playing Glasgow and T? Is that likely? 

[hamishrankin]

doubt it

[thewayiam]

3 minutes ago, Alan_C said:

 Hmmm Coldplay playing Glasgow and T? Is that likely? 

Coldplay are out of T, they have chosen their own outdoor Scottish gig instead.

[kingcrawler]

4 minutes ago, Alan_C said:

 Hmmm Coldplay playing Glasgow and T? Is that likely? 

Definitely not.

[efcfanwirral]

and there we go...gap Friday - Wednesday of Glastonbury week

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Presale on Thursday for those who've preordered AHFOD - but only for people who did so through Amazon, not their official site. Rough.

[kingcrawler]

1 minute ago, Zac Quinn said:

Presale on Thursday for those who've preordered AHFOD - but only for people who did so through Amazon, not their official site. Rough.

https://form.warnerartists.com/html/coldplay/nopurchasenecessary/

You don't actually need to preorder it on Amazon, you can just sign up here which is a link from the Amazon page.