Radiohead

[theDandy]

3 hours ago, Dazrigby88 said:

they played shows there amid an international boycott! How is this hard to understand?!?!

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by an international boycott? Clarify more in detail on this. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 hours ago, theDandy said:

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by an international boycott? Clarify more in detail on this. 

 

Loads that summarises it here:

 

https://bdsmovement.net/cultural-boycott

 

Detailed guidelines here:

 

https://bdsmovement.net/pacbi/cultural-boycott-guidelines

 

As it applies to Jonny Greenwood:

 

https://bdsmovement.net/news/jonny-greenwood-stop-artwashing-genocide

 

 

 

[Dazrigby88]

18 hours ago, theDandy said:

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by an international boycott? Clarify more in detail on this. 

Did the above sufficiently cover this, or do you need further clarification?

[Looother]

 

2 hours ago, Dazrigby88 said:

Did the above sufficiently cover this, or do you need further clarification?

 

The ludicrous propaganda site, you mean? No, that clarified everything perfectly well.

 

It could be though that Jonny Greenwood, who clearly actually knows both Israelis and Palestinians, is better informed than most of us are and is capable of drawing his own boundaries. If you feel your boundaries are the only acceptable ones, just add him to your boycott list. I'm not sure why someone would choose to, say, go to a Thom Yorke concert in order to shout at him about the discrepancies between their boundaries.

[StoneCircle]

On 10/09/2024 at 19:57, Longdrop Bum Grapes said:

New article in Times. Think it’s a goer?

 

Please can posters maintain a relevant discussion about the topic of the thread. There are political threads over in Discussions. 😊

 

Update Wednesday 9th April- This thread has now been unlocked.

 

Should there be due any further continuation of derailing the thread into the discussion of a political situation and not a Radiohead Tour It will be locked again. 

 

Cheers everyone! 😊

Edited April 9, 2025 by StoneCircle
Locked thread

[Suprefan]

Statement on Palestine

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKR8Mc_CoKj/?igsh=MW95Z3kxZGF5a2toMw%3D%3D
 

 

[Suprefan]

This is prob better in text

 

 

'Some guy shouting at me from the dark last year when I was picking up a guitar to sing the final song alone in front of 9000 people in Melbourne didn’t really seem like the best moment to discuss the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.

Afterwards I remained in shock that my supposed silence was somehow being taken as complicity, and I struggled to find an adequate way to respond to this and to carry on with the rest of the shows on the tour.

That silence, my attempt to show respect for all those who are suffering and those who have died, and to not trivialize it in a few words, has allowed other opportunistic groups to use intimidation and defamation to fill in the blanks, and I regret giving them this chance. This has had a heavy toll on my mental health.

I would hope that for anyone who has ever listened to a note of the music of my band or any of the music i have created over the years, or looked at the artwork or read any of the lyrics, it would be self-evident that I could not possibly support any form of extremism or dehumanization of others. All i see in a lifetime’s worth of work with my fellow musicians and artists is pushing against such things, trying to create work that goes beyond what it means to be controlled, coerced, threatened, to suffer, to be intimidated .. and instead to encourage critical thinking beyond borders, the commonality of love and experience and free creative expression.

Sounds naff … but true.

For others let me fill in the blanks now, so we’re nice and clear.

I think Netanyahu and his crew of extremists are totally out of control and need to be stopped, and that the international community should put all the pressure it can on them to cease. Their excuse of self-defence has long since worn thin and has been replaced by a transparent desire to take control of Gaza and the West Bank permanently.

I believe this ultra-nationalist administration has hidden itself behind a terrified & grieving people and used them to deflect any criticism, using that fear and grief to further their ultra-nationalist agenda with terrible consequences, as we see now with the horrific blockade of aid to Gaza.

While our lives tick along as normal these endless thousands of innocent human souls are still being expelled from the earth… for what?

At the same time the unquestioning Free Palestine refrain that surrounds us all does not answer the simple question of why the hostages have still not all been returned? For what possible reason?

Why did Hamas choose the truly horrific acts of October 7th? The answer seems obvious, and I believe Hamas chooses too to hide behind the suffering of its people, in an equally cynical fashion for their own purposes.

I also think there is a further and extremely important point to make.

Social media witch-hunts (nothing new) on either side pressurizing artists and whoever they feel like that week to make statements etc do very little except heighten tension, fear and over-simplification of what are complex problems that merit proper face to face debate by people who genuinely wish the killing to stop and an understanding to be found.

This kind of deliberate polarization does not serve our fellow human beings and perpetuates a constant ‘us and them’ mentality. It destroys hope and maintains a sense of isolation, the very things that extremists use to maintain their position. We facilitate their hiding in plain sight if we assume that the extremists and the people they claim to represent are one and the same, indivisible.

If our world is ever able to move on from these dark times and find peace it will only be when we rediscover what we share in common, and the extremists are sent back to sit in the darkness from whence they came.

I sympathize completely with the desire to ‘do something’ when we are witnessing such horrific suffering on our devices every day. It completely makes sense. But I now think it is a dangerous illusion to believe reposting, or one or two line messages are meaningful, especially if it is to condemn your fellow human beings. There are unintended consequences.

It is shouting from the darkness. It is not looking people in the eye when you speak. It is making dangerous assumptions. It is not debate and it is not critical thinking.

Importantly, it is open to online manipulation of all kinds, both mechanistic and political.

What is the alternative? I can’t answer that easily. I do know in communities around the globe this subject is now dangerously toxic and we are in uncharted waters. We need to turn back.

I am sure that, to this point, what I have written here will in no way satisfy those who choose to target myself or those i work with, they will spend time picking holes and looking for reasons to continue, we are an opportunity not to be missed, no doubt, and by either side.

I have written this in the simple hope that i can join with the many millions of others praying for this suffering, isolation and death to stop, praying that we can collectively regain our humanity and dignity and our ability to reach understanding .. that one day soon this darkness will have passed.'

 

Thom Yorke

[Twiggy553]

On 02/04/2025 at 21:53, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Loads that summarises it here:

 

https://bdsmovement.net/cultural-boycott

 

Detailed guidelines here:

 

https://bdsmovement.net/pacbi/cultural-boycott-guidelines

 

As it applies to Jonny Greenwood:

 

https://bdsmovement.net/news/jonny-greenwood-stop-artwashing-genocide

 

 

 

Cultural boycott is such a ridiculous joke.

talk about pissing in the wind.

 

I can’t work out if its an idea from someone who thinks the arts are SO important that denying them will avert a genocide, or someone who cares so little about the arts they want to see it chucked on the bonfire.

 

does anyone really think radiohead not playing there will have any impact whatsoever??

 

its never worked, it isn’t working, and it never will work.

 

How about instead, i dunno, maybe we just stop selling them weapons? 🤷‍♂️ 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Can do both?

 

 

Edit to add:  I'd say it was quite an effective tactic against apartheid South Africa, which is the obvious model.

Edited May 31, 2025 by CaledonianGonzo

[Twiggy553]

2 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Can do both?

 

 

Edit to add:  I'd say it was quite an effective tactic against apartheid South Africa, which is the obvious model.

There were dozens of different tactics deployed in SA, i don’t know how you’d even begin to attribute any impact to any of the more minor ones with all those confounding variables.

[CaledonianGonzo]

4 minutes ago, Twiggy553 said:

There were dozens of different tactics deployed in SA, i don’t know how you’d even begin to attribute any impact to any of the more minor ones with all those confounding variables.

 

Absolutely its not the be all and end all - it's just one lever amongst many that should be applied.

[Twiggy553]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Absolutely its not the be all and end all - it's just one lever amongst many that should be applied.

But why if its not working? Its clearly not

[CaledonianGonzo]

39 minutes ago, Twiggy553 said:

But why if its not working? Its clearly not

 

Cos its something meaningful that anyone can do.

 

As you say, its not always possible to gauge outcomes precisely, but that's not to say they don't exist. 

 

We're talking about this now because of BDS and it's due to that that Thom Yorke has stepped up and donned a wig, enormous clown shoes and a bright red nose.

 

I can understand it, but I dunno if cynicism is all that helpful, particularly when the alternative costs nothing. 

 

It's a piece of piss not to buy herbs grown in the west bank or not purchase a Sodastream.  It's actually fun dunking on Thom Yorke, the absolute f**king roaster.

[Twiggy553]

Seems pretty senseless to try to get artists cancelled over an intervention for which there is no proof that it works. All the rage and anger should be saved up for the politicians that are still allowing weapon sales to go ahead

[CaledonianGonzo]

14 minutes ago, Twiggy553 said:

Seems pretty senseless to try to get artists cancelled over an intervention for which there is no proof that it works. All the rage and anger should be saved up for the politicians that are still allowing weapon sales to go ahead

 

I reject the notion that you can't do both - and your hypothesis that culturally, academically and sporting-ingly (?) isolating South Africa had no effect whatsoever isn't one I find convincing.  

 

Might be a bit Nemik's Manifesto of me, but I take the view that small actions can and do direct change.  Sometimes you just dont ring up a grapefruit 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnes_Stores_strike

 

But glad to hear you're directing your anger at politicians.  How does that work exactly?  Always happy to get involved.

[matrainertje]

On 30/05/2025 at 17:54, Suprefan said:

This is prob better in text

 

 

'Some guy shouting at me from the dark last year when I was picking up a guitar to sing the final song alone in front of 9000 people in Melbourne didn’t really seem like the best moment to discuss the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.

Afterwards I remained in shock that my supposed silence was somehow being taken as complicity, and I struggled to find an adequate way to respond to this and to carry on with the rest of the shows on the tour.

That silence, my attempt to show respect for all those who are suffering and those who have died, and to not trivialize it in a few words, has allowed other opportunistic groups to use intimidation and defamation to fill in the blanks, and I regret giving them this chance. This has had a heavy toll on my mental health.

I would hope that for anyone who has ever listened to a note of the music of my band or any of the music i have created over the years, or looked at the artwork or read any of the lyrics, it would be self-evident that I could not possibly support any form of extremism or dehumanization of others. All i see in a lifetime’s worth of work with my fellow musicians and artists is pushing against such things, trying to create work that goes beyond what it means to be controlled, coerced, threatened, to suffer, to be intimidated .. and instead to encourage critical thinking beyond borders, the commonality of love and experience and free creative expression.

Sounds naff … but true.

For others let me fill in the blanks now, so we’re nice and clear.

I think Netanyahu and his crew of extremists are totally out of control and need to be stopped, and that the international community should put all the pressure it can on them to cease. Their excuse of self-defence has long since worn thin and has been replaced by a transparent desire to take control of Gaza and the West Bank permanently.

I believe this ultra-nationalist administration has hidden itself behind a terrified & grieving people and used them to deflect any criticism, using that fear and grief to further their ultra-nationalist agenda with terrible consequences, as we see now with the horrific blockade of aid to Gaza.

While our lives tick along as normal these endless thousands of innocent human souls are still being expelled from the earth… for what?

At the same time the unquestioning Free Palestine refrain that surrounds us all does not answer the simple question of why the hostages have still not all been returned? For what possible reason?

Why did Hamas choose the truly horrific acts of October 7th? The answer seems obvious, and I believe Hamas chooses too to hide behind the suffering of its people, in an equally cynical fashion for their own purposes.

I also think there is a further and extremely important point to make.

Social media witch-hunts (nothing new) on either side pressurizing artists and whoever they feel like that week to make statements etc do very little except heighten tension, fear and over-simplification of what are complex problems that merit proper face to face debate by people who genuinely wish the killing to stop and an understanding to be found.

This kind of deliberate polarization does not serve our fellow human beings and perpetuates a constant ‘us and them’ mentality. It destroys hope and maintains a sense of isolation, the very things that extremists use to maintain their position. We facilitate their hiding in plain sight if we assume that the extremists and the people they claim to represent are one and the same, indivisible.

If our world is ever able to move on from these dark times and find peace it will only be when we rediscover what we share in common, and the extremists are sent back to sit in the darkness from whence they came.

I sympathize completely with the desire to ‘do something’ when we are witnessing such horrific suffering on our devices every day. It completely makes sense. But I now think it is a dangerous illusion to believe reposting, or one or two line messages are meaningful, especially if it is to condemn your fellow human beings. There are unintended consequences.

It is shouting from the darkness. It is not looking people in the eye when you speak. It is making dangerous assumptions. It is not debate and it is not critical thinking.

Importantly, it is open to online manipulation of all kinds, both mechanistic and political.

What is the alternative? I can’t answer that easily. I do know in communities around the globe this subject is now dangerously toxic and we are in uncharted waters. We need to turn back.

I am sure that, to this point, what I have written here will in no way satisfy those who choose to target myself or those i work with, they will spend time picking holes and looking for reasons to continue, we are an opportunity not to be missed, no doubt, and by either side.

I have written this in the simple hope that i can join with the many millions of others praying for this suffering, isolation and death to stop, praying that we can collectively regain our humanity and dignity and our ability to reach understanding .. that one day soon this darkness will have passed.'

 

Thom Yorke

Slightly safe but otherwise statement. Good to see Yorke being a reasonable voice again.

[Giraffe Man]

Hail to the Thief Live album just released 

[efcfanwirral]

38 minutes ago, Giraffe Man said:

Hail to the Thief Live album just released 

That's actually a great idea. Sounding good too 

[Johndenis]

On 31/05/2025 at 15:08, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Cos its something meaningful that anyone can do.

 

As you say, its not always possible to gauge outcomes precisely, but that's not to say they don't exist. 

 

We're talking about this now because of BDS and it's due to that that Thom Yorke has stepped up and donned a wig, enormous clown shoes and a bright red nose.

 

I can understand it, but I dunno if cynicism is all that helpful, particularly when the alternative costs nothing. 

 

It's a piece of piss not to buy herbs grown in the west bank or not purchase a Sodastream.  It's actually fun dunking on Thom Yorke, the absolute f**king roaster.

Do you disagree with what Thom said? I wasn't aware til now that he had actually commented...

[Suprefan]

On 13/08/2025 at 09:52, efcfanwirral said:

That's actually a great idea. Sounding good too 

 

most of it was from the earls court gigs. Theres been high quality recordings of those shows since they happened so they just got mixed a little different

[stuartbert two hats]

On 30/03/2025 at 21:01, Suprefan said:

 

They need to get back tomore  Hail To The Thief stuff. A lot of those songs transalted amazingly live. They soundchecked Go To Sleep last tour but didnt play it.

What do you think of the live album?  The fact they they seem to be thoroughly revisiting this period - with the live album and Shakespeare thing - must bode well for inclusion on HTTT tracks in any upcoming live work. 

[Ben7amin_]

I hated Hail To The Theif when it came out but it absolutely grew on me -  Tracks like Wolf at the door need to see live action again 

[MrHew]

8 hours ago, Ben7amin_ said:

I hated Hail To The Theif when it came out but it absolutely grew on me -  Tracks like Wolf at the door need to see live action again 

Whereas for me it was an instant hit and remains my favourite Radiohead album. But we don't need to do that list again 🤣

[Ben7amin_]

13 hours ago, MrHew said:

Whereas for me it was an instant hit and remains my favourite Radiohead album. But we don't need to do that list again 🤣

 

Id say its my favourite now - it just took some time to get into lol -   Radiohead albums are like magic eye puzzels sometimes you cant see the picture straight away but when you do its normally amazing 

 

Where as some will squint and squint and never get it. 

Edited August 19, 2025 by Ben7amin_

[Suprefan]

On 18/08/2025 at 03:12, Ben7amin_ said:

I hated Hail To The Theif when it came out but it absolutely grew on me -  Tracks like Wolf at the door need to see live action again 

they played it the last time i saw them. its gotten action.

 

edit: actually twice in 4 days heheh

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2025 by Suprefan