gigpusher Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Really enjoying the new Gruff Rhys one. Been a bit slow to start the year as was still listening to the best of last year but also enjoying Sprints album. I've put together a bit of a playlist of the best of January so will hopefully be up to speed in a week or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Imma grab Gruff Rhys and Das Koolies and bang their heads together and tell them to stop being such silly sods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloopFiller Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 New Camera Obscura, finally! 😃 Album May 3: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted January 31 Author Report Share Posted January 31 13 hours ago, FloopFiller said: New Camera Obscura, finally! 😃 Album May 3: Oh nice. I only discovered (for me at least) them recently, replayed the listening party for Let's Get Out Of This Country as I knew the name but they'd completely passed me by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko45 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Just heard these lads, love their sound. Feels abit Aussie surfer/indie vibe. They've just done a Sophie Ellis Bexter cover (like everyone) that seems to have gotten some more eyeballs on them at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 The new (old) Orbital tune is quite beautiful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 The Last Dinner Party album is sounding great, although can’t help it has been spoiled somewhat by all the hype and the lead singles being released months in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinvoyPrimus Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 (edited) Really not sure I understand the Last Dinner Party hype. Couple of good tunes, singles sucked most of the air of the album release, and the album itself feels very overproduced and is an occasionally exhausting listen. Doesn't feels particularly convincing or authentic – a bit paint-by-numbers. Anyway, I have to chuckle in the context of people holding TLDP up as 'actually good' (when compared with "industry plants" Wet Leg). Two sides of the same coin. Edited February 2 by LinvoyPrimus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Not heard the album yet, but TLDP have had way more than the usual amount of 'industry plant' cynicism. Even more than Wet Leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinvoyPrimus Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Oh yeah I think I heard those comments around last summer when they were at BST Hyde Park, supporting Pulp etc. Think their rise over the last few months has given the 'industry plant' theory a lot more ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Not heard the album yet, but TLDP have had way more than the usual amount of 'industry plant' cynicism. Even more than Wet Leg. It's just a boring label and a reminder that I should spend less time reading online discussions about the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 From last year https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/may/05/the-guide-the-last-dinner-party-music https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-last-dinner-party-respond-to-industry-plant-allegations-nme-radar-3436536 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass II Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 What does "industry plant" even mean and does it even matter? Regardless of how an act has made it if they can't write a tune that people react to then they will swiftly tumble out of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 10 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said: What does "industry plant" even mean and does it even matter? Regardless of how an act has made it if they can't write a tune that people react to then they will swiftly tumble out of view. Just been having this conversation this morning as honestly I am utterly confused by it. I have seen them live and can confirm they are able to sing and play their instruments so they're not a Milli Vanilli style plant. Beyond that does it matter that they are lucky enough to have a record label believing in them and pushing them. I wish it was happening for a lot more acts but if you are the act lucky enough for it to be happening for you, you're hardly going to say no thanks I'd rather it be much harder for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass II Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, gigpusher said: Just been having this conversation this morning as honestly I am utterly confused by it. I have seen them live and can confirm they are able to sing and play their instruments so they're not a Milli Vanilli style plant. Beyond that does it matter that they are lucky enough to have a record label believing in them and pushing them. I wish it was happening for a lot more acts but if you are the act lucky enough for it to be happening for you, you're hardly going to say no thanks I'd rather it be much harder for me. Exactly, and like I say l, if the music is no good then all the industry pushing in the world isn’t going to get them that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said: Exactly, and like I say l, if the music is no good then all the industry pushing in the world isn’t going to get them that far. Yes it's a bit like the nepo baby accusation to an extent anyone can get a leg up but it'll never be enough to sustain a career. Is it fair that some people get it and some don't no it isn't but if I was lucky enough to be getting it I probably wouldn't look a gift-horse in the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinvoyPrimus Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said: Exactly, and like I say l, if the music is no good then all the industry pushing in the world isn’t going to get them that far. True but I think we can all agree that plenty of shite music has gotten 'that far' on account of relentless label pushing. Edited February 2 by LinvoyPrimus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernringo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, gigpusher said: Just been having this conversation this morning as honestly I am utterly confused by it. I have seen them live and can confirm they are able to sing and play their instruments so they're not a Milli Vanilli style plant. Beyond that does it matter that they are lucky enough to have a record label believing in them and pushing them. I wish it was happening for a lot more acts but if you are the act lucky enough for it to be happening for you, you're hardly going to say no thanks I'd rather it be much harder for me. I think it has become the new 'thing' to find them dull/overrated. They seem to get a lot of hipster/bandwagon hate online/OOF. Fair enough, they mightn't be everyone's cup of tea, but the dislike of them from some people feels forced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, LinvoyPrimus said: True but I think we can all agree that plenty of shite music has gotten 'that far' on account of relentless label pushing. But I guess that isn’t unique to the music industry - I would say this happens more or less in every walk of life. Regardless of how you get there, you need to have the talent to stay there or it will be very short lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, st dan said: But I guess that isn’t unique to the music industry - I would say this happens more or less in every walk of life. Regardless of how you get there, you need to have the talent to stay there or it will be very short lived. And tbf even with talent huge success in the music industry tends to be shortlived as everyone wants the next big thing. Look at even the biggest artists in the world McCartney and The Rolling Stones etc are still mostly known and loved for songs they wrote in their 20's. Yes they have of course released albums worth of new material but nobody is listening to it in the same numbers. Exit Stage Left by Nick Duerden is an interesting book on what happens to people after their 5 minutes of fame are up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, LinvoyPrimus said: True but I think we can all agree that plenty of shite music has gotten 'that far' on account of relentless label pushing. This is very true, partly relentless label pushing and partly relentless radio play. The history of popular music is littered with it, while plenty of properly good bands never make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkic Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, LinvoyPrimus said: True but I think we can all agree that plenty of shite music has gotten 'that far' on account of relentless label pushing. “Shite music” is subjective though, isn’t it? A band will only succeed if people actually buy their music and gig tickets. And a record label will only pump money into something they get a return from. So if a band is doing well, ultimately it’s because they have people who want to hear/see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, Hugh Jass II said: What does "industry plant" even mean The record industry supporting a band. Bad apparently. Not a huge fan but saw them at EOTR last year and they were fun. Good live band, lots of energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscore Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, nikkic said: “Shite music” is subjective though, isn’t it? A band will only succeed if people actually buy their music and gig tickets. And a record label will only pump money into something they get a return from. So if a band is doing well, ultimately it’s because they have people who want to hear/see them. I think that's only partly true. an average band can be pushed further than they arguably deserve. Repeated airplay gets songs into people's heads. It's not a simple meritocracy. Sometimes a band will get lucky because they have a single at the right time, or is on an advert, or has a link to another famous person or act, or is pushed harder by a record label that likes them. A band has to have a certain level of competence to "do well" as you put it, but there are countless other factors at play too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Why Bad Music is the Most Popular — Is the Consumer or the Industry to Blame? Here's How Pop Music Brainwashes You Into Liking Truly Terrible Songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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