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[Neil]

5 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 

If Putin goes, do cooler heads prevail? Or is this more of a China situation, where there's enough general support in government for the way things are done that someone else would pick up the mantle pretty swiftly?

i think so, no one gains in war!

[Zoo Music Girl]

9 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I doubt he'll be killed. Not convinced the end point of this is going to be a slaughter

Maybe not. I was meaning more by being bombed than shot, though. 

[eFestivals]

On 10/30/2021 at 8:24 AM, SwedgeAntilles said:

Join the Auld Alliance 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇫🇷 

havent you noticed things don't always go well for new states.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

havent you noticed things don't always go well for new states.

yeah, if Scotland leaves we'll invade.

[gigpusher]

37 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

That's the core of it and the one thing I still don't get - is this all just Putin? The personal vendetta of a very powerful man? Ten years ago I'd have said that wasn't possible, but we've seen with Trump that it's possible for an individual to ascend to the highest office of state with personal opinions and goals that aren't even supported by his own team. If Trump had Putin's level of control who knows what would have happened.

If Putin goes, do cooler heads prevail? Or is this more of a China situation, where there's enough general support in government for the way things are done that someone else would pick up the mantle pretty swiftly?

I'm guessing reaction in Russia would mean that if Putin went whomever took over might see that both nationally and internationally it's not a move that goes over well. 

I guess we've seen on our own stage though what happens when an ideology takes over a political party. I know it seems like an oxymoron but in the last few years every reasonable Tory has left parliament which means that if Johnson goes we would get an identikit replacement. 

I suppose we just have to hope that if we were lucky enough to finally oust Putin that more reasonable, sensible heads would prevail. 

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

All I know is if Russia was invading UK I would not stay and fight, I'd be getting the fuck out of here...

[efcfanwirral]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

All I know is if Russia was invading UK I would not stay and fight, I'd be getting the fuck out of here...

Same. I wouldn't go over there either. 

[Copperface]

39 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

The Russians are the main supplier of India's weapons systems. India is also now another populist nationalist state thanks to Modi. Modi's refused to condemn the invasion, just calling for a ceasefire and talks between Russia and NATO. Duplicitious little shit.

[Copperface]

Just been speaking to my brother in law, who was also out in Kyiv, but part of the EU training mission there, and he's watching the TV coverage of a tank being attacked, and Russian soldiers in UKR uniforms killled...........in the car park of the block of flats where he lived when deployed there. Brings it right home.

What makes it shocking to me is that I dread to think what some of the drivers and interpreters, as well as the local staff and hotel workers etc who used to look after us are going through. This is close to home. 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, if Scotland leaves we'll invade.

cameron said it would make Europe less stable, which was poo-poo'd by snippers, seems there was something to it after all.

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Remember this?

 

[eFestivals]

22 minutes ago, Copperface said:

The Russians are the main supplier of India's weapons systems. India is also now another populist nationalist state thanks to Modi. Modi's refused to condemn the invasion, just calling for a ceasefire and talks between Russia and NATO. Duplicitious little shit.

india has spent the last 50 years playing the ussr off against the usa, to get development money from each, so this is probably more of the same, of not upsetting those who might gift you money.

[steviewevie]

Big question is...if Russia did invade one or all of the Baltic countries...what would Nato do?

[fred quimby]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Big question is...if Russia did invade one or all of the Baltic countries...what would Nato do?

Fight

[efcfanwirral]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Big question is...if Russia did invade one or all of the Baltic countries...what would Nato do?

Immediately triggers one of the Nato articles and its World War 3

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Immediately triggers one of the Nato article

article five, the reason why ukraine would not be admitted to NATO

[lost]

Probably why Tusk is so pissed at Germany and Italy. Being Polish this is a much bigger threat to him and the main reason those countries signed up to the EU.

Edited February 25, 2022 by lost

[steviewevie]

shit just got real

 

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[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, guypjfreak said:

https://ukrainianinstitute.org.uk/russias-war-against-ukraine-what-can-you-do-to-support-ukraine-ukrainians/