When will this shit end?

[Fuzzy Afro]

Good news: Hundreds of thousands of vaccinations per day from next week, every care home resident to be jabbed by end of Jan.

 

Bad news: Darrent Valley hospital in Dartford officially overwhelmed, has declared a level 4 critical incident. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, FestivalJamie said:

Sorry slightly unrelated to the current convo but my sister works in a major hospital in a city. Most of the staff had their second Pfizer jab done yesterday and a large majority have gone off sick today with fever/aches& pains/vomiting etc.

To me it seems unlikely that this would be side effects from the Pfizer vaccine and more likely there has been a covid outbreak on the ward and the first dose didn’t give them enough immunity to stop them catching the virus before the second dose had time to kick in.

I know it’s an isolated incident but potentially food for thought?

Sounds horrible but, as you say, I would doubt it is the vaccine causing that. Sounds like maybe a stomach bug or something actually? Do they all work quite closely together?

[duke88]

5 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

PM saying that the vulnerable will have been 'offered a slot for the vaccine' by mid Feb.  That is completely different from having the vulnerable actually vaccinated by then.

It’s because not everyone will accept that offer. They can’t say they will have vaccinated all the vulnerable people by that date, because a proportion will refuse it.

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, xxialac said:

It's not literally what he said.

To clear this up (and I have zero doubt of this):

The are NOT counting vaccinations.

They are counting people offered the vaccines ("offered to have had") in Hancock's wording

So if I'm offered the jab for 13 February and I don't take it up, the vaccine number still ticks up by 1 towards the 13m target.

And... is that going to be a significant amount?

[steviewevie]

Find it hard to trust anything that Johnson says.

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, fatyeti24 said:

You could, by mid Feb, have been offered a slot for the vaccination, though that slot might not be until much later in the year.

We're working against September here really aren't we?  I've no doubt some restrictions will be loosened again in the summer, but it's autumn when we need to ready for.

Still, maybe I'm wrong and things will be almost sorted in 6 weeks time.

I think your time frame is pretty much spot on. I think late spring/summer will be similar to this year working towards completion of vaccination and relaxation in the autumn. I could definitely see masks staying until late autumn or winter depending on the rollout success.

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Sounds horrible but, as you say, I would doubt it is the vaccine causing that. Sounds like maybe a stomach bug or something actually? Do they all work quite closely together?

Yeah I think they all work together... I don’t think it’s the vaccine but I was wondering if it might be the virus! I’ll try to find out more

Edited January 7, 2021 by FestivalJamie

[Fuzzy Afro]

20 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Sorry guys but we could be weeks away from the worst of this,

It’s a couple of weeks from the peak of hospitalisations/deaths. Entirely possible that the cases have already peaked given that 78% of the country was already locked down and the other 22% joined it on Monday. 

 

 

[Guest]

Let's put trust in Boris Johnson, who is himself a proven chronic liar.

[xxialac]

Just now, zahidf said:

And... is that going to be a significant amount?

Not very humble imo having told me I was wrong but anyway...the point I'm making is not whether it's a significant amount, it's that they originally announced 'vaccines' and 2 days later, it's 'vaccines offered'.

1. Undermines trust to backtrack like this.

2. More potential for shady counting methods with 'vaccines offered'.

[FestivalJamie]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

It’s a couple of weeks from the peak of hospitalisations/deaths. Entirely possible that the cases have already peaked given that 78% of the country was already locked down and the other 22% joined it on Monday. 

 

 

Cases may well plateau or start to fall at this point. But hospital admissions will rise for another 2 weeks and deaths for another 3-4. Unfortunately we could see a peak of 1500-2000 deaths in a day and hospital admissions could well go above 4000.

[chuckles07]

10 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

It's such a personal choice. Everything I've read and seen, including passing it into the person I know at the Oxford vaccine trials suggests it's probably safe. It's in late stage 3 trials and the first set is due to report soon according to the press without serious issues. 

However it is still a clinical trial and the literature makes clear that whilst you'll probably be fine they can't absolutely definitely guarantee it. 

For me I'm reasonably comfortable that it should be fine. Potential pay off both personally and for society is worth it. You could be partly responsible for helping save thousands of lives.

Out of up votes but I agree. There is a risk. But there is a risk in everything you do in life but the pay off potential for me personally PLUS the potential benefit to human kind (without getting all po-faced about it) makes it a no-brainier. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

It’s a couple of weeks from the peak of hospitalisations/deaths. Entirely possible that the cases have already peaked given that 78% of the country was already locked down and the other 22% joined it on Monday. 

 

 

if lockdown works...she's questioned if will work well enough to get R below 1 with new variant...

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, atlasroch869 said:

yes you are saying right, i totally agree with you.

welcome to the thread 🙂 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Not very humble imo having told me I was wrong but anyway...the point I'm making is not whether it's a significant amount, it's that they originally announced 'vaccines' and 2 days later, it's 'vaccines offered'.

1. Undermines trust to backtrack like this.

2. More potential for shady counting methods with 'vaccines offered'.

I think its reasonable tbh. We don't have mandatory vaccination. If someone doesn't turn up to an appointment, is that the govt fault?

If they are being shady ill have a go. I think... its fine to do it like that.

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Cases may well plateau or start to fall at this point. But hospital admissions will rise for another 2 weeks and deaths for another 3-4. Unfortunately we could see a peak of 1500-2000 deaths in a day and hospital admissions could well go above 4000.

Yep, we won’t see hospitalisations fall for a while and deaths will lag that even further. That’s what she means by the worst being a few weeks away. If lockdown is going to work we should know imminently because the vast majority of the country was already in lockdown.

Just now, steviewevie said:

if lockdown works...she's questioned if will work well enough to get R below 1 with new variant...

Yeah, that’s the big worry. And if it doesn’t go below 1 then we have a serious issue, because what else can really be closed to push it below 1? 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Cases may well plateau or start to fall at this point. But hospital admissions will rise for another 2 weeks and deaths for another 3-4. Unfortunately we could see a peak of 1500-2000 deaths in a day and hospital admissions could well go above 4000.

Plus if you read her other posts she thinks that this lockdown might not be enough to get R below 1, so whilst case numbers. might drop on a day or so not might not get low enough to give the NHS and their staff a break, which is really there biggest issue.

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, FestivalJamie said:

I already know 2 over 80s who have turned it down!

Well I hope they don't complain if they catch it.

[jparx]

14 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

PM saying that the vulnerable will have been 'offered a slot for the vaccine' by mid Feb.  That is completely different from having the vulnerable actually vaccinated by then.

Dunno if this is the case generally, but one of my grandparents had the offer on a Thursday and had it done on the Saturday. I read the “offer” bit as acknowledging people won’t actually accept the offer.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Yep, we won’t see hospitalisations fall for a while and deaths will lag that even further. That’s what she means by the worst being a few weeks away. If lockdown is going to work we should know imminently because the vast majority of the country was already in lockdown.

Yeah, that’s the big worry. And if it doesn’t go below 1 then we have a serious issue, because what else can really be closed to push it below 1? 

theres still options .... plenty of places open still that weren't b4 .... 

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I think its reasonable tbh. We don't have mandatory vaccination. If someone doesn't turn up to an appointment, is that the govt fault?

If they are being shady ill have a go. I think... its fine to do it like that.

And you have no problem with the Prime Minister having just announced they will "vaccinate 13 million people" by 15 March? You've missed the whole point I was making.

Words matter. With targets even more so...

Edited January 7, 2021 by xxialac

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

theres still options .... plenty of places open still that weren't b4 .... 

Yeah. The next move is to close ALL non-essential businesses like factories, chippies etc. But that would fuck the economy and mental health even more so I really hope it’s not needed. 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Fuzzy Afro

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, jparx said:

Dunno if this is the case generally, but one of my grandparents had the offer on a Thursday and had it done on the Saturday. I read the “offer” bit as acknowledging people won’t actually accept the offer.

Yeah... he was saying its not mandatory. And I assume if they refuse, they'll get someone else for the appointment. If someone doesn't turn up a) its a small amount and b) what can the govt do?

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Yeah. The next move is to close ALL non-essential businesses like factories, chippies etc. But that would fuck the economy and mental health even more so I really hope it’s not needed. 

absolutely .... but they are there as an extreme option .... Building sites to me look like a good opportunity for the virus as difficult as it might be economy wise to shut them 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

And you have no problem with the Prime Minister having just announced they will "vaccinate 13 million people" by 15 March? You've missed the whole point I was making.

Words matter. With targets even more so...

Well let's see how it goes. Seems like having a go now is counter productive.