When will this shit end?

[Copperface]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

February days the mirror

You're lurching from the Telegraph to the Mirror. The Nudge Unit is doing its job.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Mellotr0n said:

To clarify, it is a member of the Cabinet who has intimated that loosening of restrictions could start at the end of February, best case scenario wise. 

Very senior members of the cabinet have said a great number of things that they were forced to backtrack on.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

1 million jabs per week is less than 370  per day per local authority based on 7days week. 

 

 

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Booked a test tomoro ... precautionary but my year long cough has got slightly worse 😞 

Good luck with it dude. Fingers crossed.

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, Copperface said:

That's why there is a Government behavioural science strategy, and people trying to nudge the public along to accept such restrictions. You are the one blindly accepting some bits of what hey are saying.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/nudge-unit

Except if its too make me stick to restrictions, it isn't going to work past Easter if the death and hospitalisation rates go down.

[steviewevie]

Has it been proven how long immunity lasts with these vaccines?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, zahidf said:

Good luck with it dude. Fingers crossed.

Cheers not sure it is .. but better to be safe than sorry in this case ... 

[morph100]

9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Booked a test tomoro ... precautionary but my year long cough has got slightly worse 😞 

Hope it’s ok 

[Copperface]

Just now, zahidf said:

Except if its too make me stick to restrictions, it isn't going to work past Easter if the death and hospitalisation rates go down.

They probably won't care. But what you won't be able to do is attend an officially sanctioned mass gathering which would pose far more danger than someone deciding unilaterally to go to the park without a mask.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Ah yes, a realiable source...

You can also 'open up' the UK by staying in the current tier system. Nearly everything is open in tier 2 which means that areas will likely go down tiers if what they say on that front page happens which is what I've been saying.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

11 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

As has been said many times, it's in the global communities best interest to stop people mixing and mutating the virus further.

The government keeps restrictions until as late as possible imo - I reckon they will want at least 40% of the population done.

You think we're going to wait for about 26 million people to be vaccinated? Do we even have enough vaccine for that? 

The more people get jabbed the more.the government will have to start thinking about paying for everything - and that needs an functioning economy. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Booked a test tomoro ... precautionary but my year long cough has got slightly worse 😞 

Good luck mate, lets us know how it goes.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Good luck mate, lets us know how it goes.

Yep will do 😒.. fucking shitting it ... as I went for a walk with folks yesterday 😞 

[Guest]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

Yep will do 😒.. fucking shitting it ... as I went for a walk with folks yesterday 😞 

You had your mask on and it would've been outside. The risks are really low, but understandable you'd be worried!

[Copperface]

Just now, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

You think we're going to wait for about 26 million people to be vaccinated? Do we even have enough vaccine for that? 

The more people get jabbed the more.the government will have to start thinking about paying for everything - and that needs an functioning economy. 

Been going round in circles re this for many months. Restrictions are not all about lockdowns or Tier 4 levels.

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/234935-possibly-happening-in-september/?do=findComment&comment=5998015

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/234935-possibly-happening-in-september/?do=findComment&comment=5998069

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Yep will do 😒.. fucking shitting it ... as I went for a walk with folks yesterday 😞 

fingers crossed you'll be ok. Good luck.

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Has it been proven how long immunity lasts with these vaccines?

Nope! Hoping for a year plus.

[steviewevie]

Just now, zahidf said:

Nope! Hoping for a year plus.

so...is this not a factor in determining when can start easing restrictions completely, when we have more data on the effectiveness of these vaccines...still a lot of unknowns?

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

so...is this not a factor in determining when can start easing restrictions completely, when we have more data on the effectiveness of these vaccines...still a lot of unknowns?

Vaccines will be ongoing like the flu vaccines though. If more evidence comes we need to give more people the jab, we will do that more easily by next year

[Toilet Duck]

36 minutes ago, incident said:

So the Telegraph says - "Ministers are looking at proposals to triple the length of time between taking a first and second dose from three weeks to 12 weeks, in order to speed up the delivery of the vaccine."

Aside from the very dodgy maths there, why the hell should Ministers even have input on that? It should be a medical decision and should be left for medical people to decide based on facts. Politicians should shut the fuck up on aspects like that.

I’d expect the next round of data from Oxford/AZ to be the US trial data (SD:SD)...(somewhere in the last few pages there was speculation that it might be more info on LD:SD, but they are only starting those trials, too early for that data)...however, there’s some subtle differences in the AZ US trial and the Oxford/AZ UK and Brazil trials (manufacturer of the doses possibly being a big one, remember, the LD:SD came about because of a manufacturing error that led to a dosing error)...anyway, the pause in the US trial meant they had a lot of participants with dose 1 and a big gap to dose 2...meaning they have way more data on when dose 2 needs to be given (and there was already a signal for flexibility in their lancet paper with some participants waiting 6 weeks but not seeing a drop in immunity or greater risk of infection)...I suspect with better quality vaccine (made by AZ themselves rather than Oxford or the Italian manufacturer that made the doses for the earlier trials) plus the big gap from the pause, they have robust data suggesting they can stretch it out to 12 weeks, at which point AZ plan to deliver 40m doses for the UK (so, dose 2 can be given then)...all pure speculation on my part, but seems plausible to me...

[DeanoL]

44 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Ha on both ends!

 

I'm no lockdown sceptic. I acknowledge the need for it when we need to control things. I'm just amazed that some people seem to want it past a point when restrictions will be worse than covid past mass vaccinations.

Like many millions of people, I very rarely interact with the elderly and vulnerable. If protecting them is literally all we are trying to do here, why I have I been in some sort of lockdown for nine months. I didn’t see a single vulnerable person or person over 60 for 8 months, nor did most of my mates- why were we not allowed to meet up?

99% of the measures I have dutifully followed during 2020 were basically an entire waste of time if I go out and get COVID in June.

Fundamentally, if the government wanted me to go get COVID rather than wait for vaccine, surely they’d have asked me to do so in March?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

8 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Been going round in circles re this for many months. Restrictions are not all about lockdowns or Tier 4 levels.

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/234935-possibly-happening-in-september/?do=findComment&comment=5998015

https://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/234935-possibly-happening-in-september/?do=findComment&comment=5998069

 

I know - do you know think that restrictions e.g. reduced capacity, no fans at football etc.. have zero impacts on the economy? 

Less people in a restaurant or a cinema means less things sold which means less taxes. Which means less stock being bought. Which means less taxes.

The list goes on and on about how restrictions limit the viability of a business and they all come back to less taxes less people working means less spending etc... Etc... 

Restrictions lockdowns whatever it might be impacts the economy to various levels. Some sectors would argue restrictions are worse for them than actual lockdowns. 

 

[efcfanwirral]

 

18 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Yep will do 😒.. fucking shitting it ... as I went for a walk with folks yesterday 😞 

 

16 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You had your mask on and it would've been outside. The risks are really low, but understandable you'd be worried!

I agree with @Ozanne - from all we've learnt the chances are literally pretty much zero outside even without a mask, with one on you'll be completely fine 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

7 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Like many millions of people, I very rarely interact with the elderly and vulnerable. If protecting them is literally all we are trying to do here, why I have I been in some sort of lockdown for nine months. I didn’t see a single vulnerable person or person over 60 for 8 months, nor did most of my mates- why were we not allowed to meet up?

99% of the measures I have dutifully followed during 2020 were basically an entire waste of time if I go out and get COVID in June.

Fundamentally, if the government wanted me to go get COVID rather than wait for vaccine, surely they’d have asked me to do so in March?

The restrictions aren't really to stop you as an individual getting Covid - the government couldn't really give a toss if you get Covid or not - it's about if they can put you in hospital if you need it. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

 

I agree with @Ozanne - from all we've learnt the chances are literally pretty much zero outside even without a mask, with one on you'll be completely fine 

Yep cheers and if I don’t have it ... I’ll be even finer 🙂 just being extra precautionary with a work colleagues test too ...