clarkete Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, balti-pie said: I remember a big countdown in the papers with Linsey Dawn McKenzie coming up to her 16th birthday - some teaser photos, and then the big reveal on the day. She’s finally legal! Different times barely even covers it ? The daily fail are one of the worst culprits (of course along with tons of other shameful things they've done) which are beautifully satirised here.https://www.spellingmistakescostlives.com/dailymail Incidentally he's going to be showing some of his work about Shell in Shangri La this year. Edited June 11, 2019 by clarkete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 Feel pretty uncomfortable with the "innocent until proven guilty" stance people on here are encouraging others to adopt with respect to sexual assault, grooming, etc. of a young woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gherkin8r Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, balti-pie said: I remember a big countdown in the papers with Linsey Dawn McKenzie coming up to her 16th birthday - some teaser photos, and then the big reveal on the day. She’s finally legal! Different times barely even covers it ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, Homer said: Was he? Bah - that’s my evening absolutely ruined then! Could be worse you could have watched them and then it definitely would have been ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E. Spliff Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Tuna said: Feel pretty uncomfortable with the "innocent until proven guilty" stance people on here are encouraging others to adopt with respect to sexual assault, grooming, etc. of a young woman. So if I accused you of genocide, we'd all have to get the flaming torches out straight away because it's too serious an offence to bother waiting for proof? Innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone of civil society. If we didn't have it, Christopher Jeffries would have been lynched by the tabloid-reading mob for the crime of looking like the sort of creep who would (but didn't) murder his tenant Jo Yeates. It's inconvenient, but the alternative is a very dark place indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosieangel Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 On a lighter note a colleague mentioned to me that she saw me roaring my head off through an office window yesterday evening and it was me reading this thread. So thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkete Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 @gherkin8r I think that juxtaposition of the photo and the article where they moan about paedogeddon is a great example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gherkin8r Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 The text at the bottom of Charlotte church's picture is properly creepy as fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mark E. Spliff said: So if I accused you of genocide, we'd all have to get the flaming torches out straight away because it's too serious an offence to bother waiting for proof? Innocent until proven guilty is a cornerstone of civil society. If we didn't have it, Christopher Jeffries would have been lynched by the tabloid-reading mob for the crime of looking like the sort of creep who would (but didn't) murder his tenant Jo Yeates. It's inconvenient, but the alternative is a very dark place indeed. I'm specifically talking -- let me quote myself -- "sexual assault, grooming etc. of a young woman", so kindly leave the genocide comparisons elsewhere. This is talking about ensuring women's voices are heard where historically they haven't; to applaud bravery in coming forward with cases; to believe women when they say they are the victims of assault. By saying "innocent until proven guilty" in circumstances like these, you marginalise women, you place no trust in their words, and you perpetuate a problem. Please note I'm not encouraging any sort of behaviour, a boycott, whatever - just the stance "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't sit well with me. Edited June 11, 2019 by Tuna 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gherkin8r Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Tuna said: I'm specifically talking -- let me quote myself -- "sexual assault, grooming etc. of a young woman", so kindly leave the genocide comparisons elsewhere. This is talking about ensuring women's voices are heard where historically they haven't; to applaud bravery in coming forward with cases; to believe women when they say they are the victims of assault. By saying "innocent until proven guilty" in circumstances like these, you marginalise women, you place no trust in their words, and you perpetuate a problem. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magma Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 Out to everyone who was in the circle pit for Lostprophets in 2002 and now can't tell anyone about it ever again. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Magma said: Out to everyone who was in the circle pit for Lostprophets in 2002 and now can't tell anyone about it ever again. ? That reminds of V Festival years back when LP played. I was stood with a group of loyal fans who lived in the same area of Wales as the band , followed them all over and treat the band as close friends. I do feel for em . LP were rubbish that day , mainly due to Watkins just swanning about on stage being a diva. And it just so happens he is now about 1/2 mile from where my office is in Wakey nick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt - Ed Banger Records Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Magma said: Out to everyone who was in the circle pit for Lostprophets in 2002 and now can't tell anyone about it ever again. ? At Reading in 2009 the entire group of people I was camped with, so around 12 people or so, went to go and watch LP instead of Radiohead, and it's something I give them shit about to this day (which, lets face it, would have been the case irrespective of Watkins crimes being uncovered) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted June 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, ivan said: That reminds of V Festival years back when LP played. I was stood with a group of loyal fans who lived in the same area of Wales as the band , followed them all over and treat the band as close friends. I do feel for em . LP were rubbish that day , mainly due to Watkins just swanning about on stage being a diva. And it just so happens he is now about 1/2 mile from where my office is in Wakey nick ! I still refuse to listen to Steps to this day - just to be extra vigilant (to clarify: I don’t really like Jim Davidson - though I do still find Allo Allo genuinely funny). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maelzoid Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tuna said: Feel pretty uncomfortable with the "innocent until proven guilty" stance people on here are encouraging others to adopt with respect to sexual assault, grooming, etc. of a young woman. Yes, I suppose 'Guilty until proven innocent' is a lot more comfortable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tuna said: Please note I'm not encouraging any sort of behaviour, a boycott, whatever - just the stance "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't sit well with me. I guess it would if you were wrongly accused of a serious crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tuna said: I'm specifically talking -- let me quote myself -- "sexual assault, grooming etc. of a young woman", so kindly leave the genocide comparisons elsewhere. This is talking about ensuring women's voices are heard where historically they haven't; to applaud bravery in coming forward with cases; to believe women when they say they are the victims of assault. By saying "innocent until proven guilty" in circumstances like these, you marginalise women, you place no trust in their words, and you perpetuate a problem. Please note I'm not encouraging any sort of behaviour, a boycott, whatever - just the stance "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't sit well with me. Thankfully we do not live in North Korea where the Piranha tank awaits whether or guilty or not ! Innocent until proven guilty , No person is above the law , trial by jury - that was enshrined in law at the dawn of our Kingdom and you cannot change that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E. Spliff Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tuna said: I'm specifically talking -- let me quote myself -- "sexual assault, grooming etc. of a young woman", so kindly leave the genocide comparisons elsewhere. This is talking about ensuring women's voices are heard where historically they haven't; to applaud bravery in coming forward with cases; to believe women when they say they are the victims of assault. By saying "innocent until proven guilty" in circumstances like these, you marginalise women, you place no trust in their words, and you perpetuate a problem. Please note I'm not encouraging any sort of behaviour, a boycott, whatever - just the stance "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't sit well with me. Your concerns seem to be around supporting marginalised victims to demand and get justice. I'm absolutely on board with that. However, criticising 'innocent until proven guilty' isn't helping that cause - any educated person who cares about human rights will put the shutters down immediately when they hear that kind of talk. 'Innocent until proven guilty' often results in very unpleasant people getting away with their crimes but, as others have pointed out above, the alternative is a dystopian nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mark E. Spliff said: Your concerns seem to be around supporting marginalised victims to demand and get justice. I'm absolutely on board with that. However, criticising 'innocent until proven guilty' isn't helping that cause - any educated person who cares about human rights will put the shutters down immediately when they hear that kind of talk. 'Innocent until proven guilty' often results in very unpleasant people getting away with their crimes but, as others have pointed out above, the alternative is a dystopian nightmare. Yes - and despite how despicable the crime and how obviously guilty they are , the accused still have the right to have a barrister acting for them to try and get them found not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Leach Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, ivan said: Yes - and despite how despicable the crime and how obviously guilty they are , the accused still have the right to have a barrister acting for them to try and get them found not guilty. Tuna was clearly talking about continuing to support music acts/seeing them at a festival when they've been accused of something awful, that's a world away from false imprisonment. Different things are not the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark E. Spliff said: Your concerns seem to be around supporting marginalised victims to demand and get justice. I'm absolutely on board with that. However, criticising 'innocent until proven guilty' isn't helping that cause - any educated person who cares about human rights will put the shutters down immediately when they hear that kind of talk. 'Innocent until proven guilty' often results in very unpleasant people getting away with their crimes but, as others have pointed out above, the alternative is a dystopian nightmare. My issues are not with the judiciary system. We as individuals are not the judiciary system. 2 hours ago, stuie said: I guess it would if you were wrongly accused of a serious crime. Nah. Bit #notallmen this. 2 hours ago, maelzoid said: Yes, I suppose 'Guilty until proven innocent' is a lot more comfortable... Also not what I said 1 hour ago, Winslow Leach said: Tuna was clearly talking about continuing to support music acts/seeing them at a festival when they've been accused of something awful, that's a world away from false imprisonment. Different things are not the same. ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbathehorse Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Homer said: I still refuse to listen to Steps to this day - just to be extra vigilant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Winslow Leach said: Tuna was clearly talking about continuing to support music acts/seeing them at a festival when they've been accused of something awful, that's a world away from false imprisonment. Different things are not the same. Lord forbid if anything untoward was laid towards Michael Eavis. So on accusations alone who would feel uncomfortable about going to G or just not attend ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 Tricky bugger, context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gherkin8r Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Tricky bugger, context. Trick buggery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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