ME this evening

[fightoffyour]

On 20/11/2015, 06:53:48, Yoghurt on a Stick said:

I've just looked at The National Grid's in house magazine for 2010 which has an article about the Glastonbury festival within it. It says;

“In the case of the pipeline, one of our
technicians will visit prior to the start of
the festival to mark out a 10m exclusion
zone. Marquee pegs can penetrate up to one
metre into the ground, and therefore only
small tents are allowed in this area. One of
our representatives will also supervise the
erection of the superfortress perimeter fence
where it crosses the pipeline.”

It's a sign..

[paulo999]

The route of the high pressure gas pipeline means that prior to the 2007 expansion, it would have solely run under car parks. In 2007 it would have clipped the western corner of Dairy Ground. More recently, it would have had several other camping areas on top of it - but never any stages.

(It now crosses the super fortress in several places. Since 2011 at least, there's been a 'Buried Services' map for infrastructure crew, showing the gas line, the private ring main for water, and the buried 11kv power lines. The map has instructions about obtaining permits to work for any digging near these services.)

It wouldn't be too difficult - IMHO - to fence an exclusion zone along it's path if the concerns really were serious. So I'd be surprised if this issue alone would result in a move of the festival.

[Pinhead]

Interesting. So it can be run over by vehicles yet officials seems to be worried about people 'dancing' on it.... Hmm.

[paulo999]

10 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

Interesting. So it can be run over by vehicles yet officials seems to be worried about people 'dancing' on it.... Hmm.

It's not a crazy distinction. Vehicles roll over things rather than bounce up and down. You might remember that horrific footage of a packed dance floor collapsing a few years back.

That aside though, there is nowhere on the route of the pipeline where people would be dancing in significant numbers - it's pure camping.

[Pinhead]

Surely you would think that it must be buried fairly deeply though if it carries such a volatile fuel and presumably be in a special toughened pipe laid on a soft aggregate to distribute weight / force. Still can't get over that its said that a tent peg could go through it even if hammered in and that its close enough to the surface for a 10'' tent peg to reach!

[eFestivals]

35 minutes ago, paulo999 said:

The route of the high pressure gas pipeline means that prior to the 2007 expansion, it would have solely run under car parks. In 2007 it would have clipped the western corner of Dairy Ground. More recently, it would have had several other camping areas on top of it - but never any stages.

(It now crosses the super fortress in several places. Since 2011 at least, there's been a 'Buried Services' map for infrastructure crew, showing the gas line, the private ring main for water, and the buried 11kv power lines. The map has instructions about obtaining permits to work for any digging near these services.)

It wouldn't be too difficult - IMHO - to fence an exclusion zone along it's path if the concerns really were serious. So I'd be surprised if this issue alone would result in a move of the festival.

ahhh, thanks for the detail.

[Woffy]

Parking over buried services certainly would be an issue if they weren't buried deep enough. And if the concerns are true - and not playing politics with local landowners - that people dancing / camping over them is potentially dangerous, then it infers it isn't buried deep enough to sustain / bear the load of cars parked on it.

So either someone's exaggerating the issue for some reason. Or this hasn't been managed properly in the past...which I find hard to believe.

I work with some underground service officers on a daily basis, so I can ask tomorrow if anyone really wants the technical guff / regulations, etc?

 

 

[stuartbert two hats]

18 minutes ago, Woffy said:

Parking over buried services certainly would be an issue if they weren't buried deep enough. And if the concerns are true - and not playing politics with local landowners - that people dancing / camping over them is potentially dangerous, then it infers it isn't buried deep enough to sustain / bear the load of cars parked on it.

So either someone's exaggerating the issue for some reason. Or this hasn't been managed properly in the past...which I find hard to believe.

I work with some underground service officers on a daily basis, so I can ask tomorrow if anyone really wants the technical guff / regulations, etc?

 

 

Yes please.

[Woffy]

7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Yes please.

Oki doke, I'll ask and FB a mate of mine tonight. 2015 was his first G and he has a ticket for next year, so he'll be happy to help.

I 'approve' underground service works, but only from the POV of deconflicting the affect of outages on public sector buildings, so I don't know the full ins and outs of it.

 

1 hour ago, paulo999 said:

The route of the high pressure gas pipeline means that prior to the 2007 expansion, it would have solely run under car parks. In 2007 it would have clipped the western corner of Dairy Ground. More recently, it would have had several other camping areas on top of it - but never any stages.

(It now crosses the super fortress in several places. Since 2011 at least, there's been a 'Buried Services' map for infrastructure crew, showing the gas line, the private ring main for water, and the buried 11kv power lines. The map has instructions about obtaining permits to work for any digging near these services.)

It wouldn't be too difficult - IMHO - to fence an exclusion zone along it's path if the concerns really were serious. So I'd be surprised if this issue alone would result in a move of the festival.

Any chance you can provide a copy of the map Paulo?

[giantkatestacks]

If we are only hearing about it now it might be an overreacting security thing. Tho if that was the case presumably he wouldnt be talking about it. I am not sure that everyone necessarily needs to be poking around the infrastructure map interesting though it is.

 

[___S_o_m_a__]

I'm suspecting the pipeline is the one detailed on the map marked ST here:

http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/land-and-development/planning-authority/gas-network/

Noticed the pipe runs under Chewton Mendip and they're always fuckin' dancing so it can't be that.

[Woffy]

Just seen an interview with ME in Gridline magazine (like something from HIGNFY) in which the same stuff is said about the pipeline almost word for word.

Its from Summer 2010.

[Dukeicon]

2 hours ago, ___S_o_m_a__ said:

I'm suspecting the pipeline is the one detailed on the map marked ST here:

http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/land-and-development/planning-authority/gas-network/

Noticed the pipe runs under Chewton Mendip and they're always fuckin' dancing so it can't be that.

This is the ST map from the link above.

Roughly overlaying it on google maps I get the following.

Red is the pipeline. Yellow is the fence. Purple is the car park (yellow & orange parking). Blue is the campervans. Two red dots are JP & Pyramid.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Dukeicon

[guypjfreak]

13 minutes ago, Dukeicon said:

This is the ST map from the link above.

Roughly overlaying it on google maps I get the following.

Red is the pipeline. Yellow is the fence. Purple is the car park (yellow & orange parking). Blue is the campervans. Two red dots are JP & Pyramid.

well if thats right then i would have thought just moving the cars ect would be ok even with the agro that entails instead of having to move the whole festi with the NIGHTMARE that would involve !!!!

[Untz]

I love it when a thread gets technical. This will tide me over nicely until the weather thread.

[willutalk]

@Untzvery very true! Gunna love it when people start posting maps of the local area with an area shaded in a 20 mile radius of the site too!

[Dukeicon]

7 minutes ago, willutalk said:

@Untzvery very true! Gunna love it when people start posting maps of the local area with an area shaded in a 20 mile radius of the site too!

We'll here is your 20 miles radius from Worthy Farm map.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Dukeicon

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

36 minutes ago, Dukeicon said:

This is the ST map from the link above.

Roughly overlaying it on google maps I get the following.

Red is the pipeline. Yellow is the fence. Purple is the car park (yellow & orange parking). Blue is the campervans. Two red dots are JP & Pyramid.

    That's a marvellous thingy that you have provided Dukeicon. Thanks for doing that - I'm almost gurgling this end I'm that happy. I so wish that I could do more on the computer than come on here and book Ryanair flights.

[LondonTom]

2 hours ago, Dukeicon said:

We'll here is your 20 miles radius from Worthy Farm map.

That just about touches Pontin's, Glastonbury to take over Pontin's and become all year round! :P

[willutalk]

9 hours ago, Dukeicon said:

We'll here is your 20 miles radius from Worthy Farm map.

He's only gone and done it. Perhaps they'll have a floating Pyramid stage?

Edited November 24, 2015 by willutalk

[mungo57]

25 minutes ago, willutalk said:

He's only gone and done it. Perhaps they'll have a floating Pyramid stage?

now that would be one for the ages!

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, mungo57 said:

now that would be one for the ages!

Age of Aquarius to be precise.

[mungo57]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Age of Aquarius to be precise.

indeed

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, mungo57 said:

indeed

Was that what you meant in the first place?

[___S_o_m_a__]

15 hours ago, Woffy said:

I work with some underground service officers on a daily basis, so I can ask tomorrow if anyone really wants the technical guff / regulations, etc?

I'd say the geekery is strong in here with regards to anything Glastonbury related however tenuous that may be. We'd like to know the technical guff, technical bluff, regulations, rumours, truths, half truths, downright lies and everything in between.