Oasis

[fraybentos1]

6 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Many people have to fly for other reasons and often at very short notice for family illness or deaths - when they book late the prices are far far higher than those who are able to book early for their holiday. That is in every way as wrong as what TM and the bands/promotors do so if it is under question in one scenario then it really should be looked at where ever it is used.

How is that wrong? Should we make all flight prices from A to B the same price regardless of the time of the year? No, that would be ludicrous. No one complains when their flights are 10 quid cause it is away from peak season. You would need to increase the fares of the cheap flights to compensate.

[pink_triangle]

4 minutes ago, Yokel Again said:

All smoke and mirrors innit, companies owned by companies owned by companies. etc 

I think a lot of fans would prefer to live in ignorance. They deep down accept that the band wants to make as much money as possible, but they don’t want them to come out and admit it and happy for a situation where they can blame an organisation that they have no relationship with who can’t let them down.

 

I would happily get rid of dynamic pricing but it wouldn’t have solved the problem here of demand massively outstripping supply. I therefore think Oasis would have made the same money off the fans but just in a different way.

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, gfa said:

All gig going is leisure

 

A large amount of flying is not leisure (although a lot paid by business i'm sure)

 

Gigs are also controlled within one country - far easier to legislate against than foreign airlines

 

I don't understand why its so controversial to stop things like outrageous fees, own-brand touting etc

How do you define outrageous? Footballer and movie stars are allowed to maximise income based on demand , why shouldn’t rockstars be allowed to do the same?

[doogie]

12 minutes ago, gfa said:

Given how slow these surge tickets are going i've got a feeling close to the show twickets is going to be chock full of them

It's often hard to see if they are selling.  They might be visibly for sale, but if you try and buy them it often says they're in someone else's basket.

 

[gfa]

12 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think a lot of fans would prefer to live in ignorance. They deep down accept that the band wants to make as much money as possible, but they don’t want them to come out and admit it and happy for a situation where they can blame an organisation that they have no relationship with who can’t let them down.

 

I would happily get rid of dynamic pricing but it wouldn’t have solved the problem here of demand massively outstripping supply. I therefore think Oasis would have made the same money off the fans but just in a different way.

Everyone knows its just as much Oasis's fault (more infact really) that the prices are like this. Its all over the news and has been for the past 2 days.

 

For years artists have put dates on sale knowing they will sell out at the price they go onsale at and had no issue with it.

 

If they want more money perhaps they should get off their arses and do more than 14 dates?

 

10 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

How do you define outrageous? Footballer and movie stars are allowed to maximise income based on demand , why shouldn’t rockstars be allowed to do the same?

added, not outrageous - just meant the fees ticketmaster etc charge

[gfa]

Just now, doogie said:

It's often hard to see if they are selling.  They might be visibly for sale, but if you try and buy them it often says they're in someone else's basket.

 

It seems relatively slow considering the demand on Saturday is my take, time will tell.

 

Not sure the market can support 1000s of twickets going for £350, especially given its a site that people usually go to for cheap tickets! They don't plaster adverts all over google like viagogo do

[Johndenis]

Just now, doogie said:

It's often hard to see if they are selling.  They might be visibly for sale, but if you try and buy them it often says they're in someone else's basket.

 

@pink_triangle what are "surge tickets"?  My instinct is that there are too many dates and, come the gigs next year, there will be loads of spares going with folk unable to overcome agoraphobia, having to actually go out and do something, general remorse at having spent hundreds of pounds etc. 

 

As an aside, I saw someone say they will do 90 mins vs Taylor's 3?  I've no idea what their stamina was like pre-break up but surely they will do 2 and a half hours to 3? 

[Hirstys 12th Pint]

2 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

I really would like to know exactly how many got put onto surge pricing. I know someone who got through to Ticketmaster at 2.30 and got 4 face value tickets for the first Manchester date, so 5 and a half hours of trying.

 

One consequence of the time it took to sell out is that persistence paid off. Obviously some people had to do other things, but also there will be plenty who gave up

 

My Wife mentioned at mid day ish that one of her friends had said about prices doubling.

 

So glad I wasn't bothered about going.

 

[Avalon_Fields]

23 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think a lot of fans would prefer to live in ignorance. They deep down accept that the band wants to make as much money as possible, but they don’t want them to come out and admit it and happy for a situation where they can blame an organisation that they have no relationship with who can’t let them down.

 

I would happily get rid of dynamic pricing but it wouldn’t have solved the problem here of demand massively outstripping supply. I therefore think Oasis would have made the same money off the fans but just in a different way.

Yes, that’s my thoughts too.

[glast0gal]

Friends managed to bag us tickets in the pre-sale, which, although a shame to those who missed out, seemed to be really well organised. Demand for the main sale was massive. Queue was a bit of an enigma at first but was okay. Thought I was in with a shout (was trying for others) but alas no. The only tickets that were left were the surge pricing ones and the hospitality packages - beyond what any of my mates could afford. It's a rubbish way to sell tickets for fans as it makes you realise that you're just seen as a way to make money, rather than paying a 'fair' price for a face value ticket. £148 down and I'm already on a beans on toast diet for the rest of the month. I certainly couldn't have stretched to £350+ and doubt many others could have done. Hardly the kind of money you find down the back of the settee.

[hodgey123]

Twickets have responded to criticism and reduced their fees to 11% (1% transaction fee) and capped at £25.

[Avalon_Fields]

Just for a laugh I’ve checked Viagogo. Cheapest Heaton Park £619, dearest £5904.

[doogie]

I don't know how comparable this is, but I was watching the secondary market for the UK leg of the Eras tour quite closely.

 

Very few tickets went up on Twickets, while Stubhub and Viagogo had hundreds for sale at any given time.  The vast majority of these sold on the day of each concert, generally for between £500 (for restricted view) and £1200 each.  There were absolutely no bargains to be had.

[pink_triangle]

16 minutes ago, gfa said:

Everyone knows its just as much Oasis's fault (more infact really) that the prices are like this. Its all over the news and has been for the past 2 days.

 

For years artists have put dates on sale knowing they will sell out at the price they go onsale at and had no issue with it.

 

If they want more money perhaps they should get off their arses and do more than 14 dates?

 

added, not outrageous - just meant the fees ticketmaster etc charge

I don’t think everyone does know it’s Oasis fault as much, I have seen many blaming Ticketmaster. I think they just have one price and go £250 then the band probably take more blame so this scenario works for them.  I think fans want to believe oasis are working class heroes so in this situation it’s an awkward solution which mutually suits both sides.

 

If dynamic pricing didn’t exist I don’t think they would play more gigs, I think they would just charge more. Ultimately the fans end up footing the bill as they are now, you could argue if everyone pays the same it’s fairer, I’m not sure the majority would be happier. I suspect you wouldn’t get many with the £150 tickets who wish they had paid more, so those with £350 could pay less.

[Euphoricape]

12 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

Just for a laugh I’ve checked Viagogo. Cheapest Heaton Park £619, dearest £5904.

That's a deposit on a house

[Nathan Explosion]

13 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Twickets have responded to criticism and reduced their fees to 11% (1% transaction fee) and capped at £25.

 

Nice, Twickets continuing to be by far the best ticket reseller out there. I hope the Ts&Cs warning people off other resellers prove effective cos I've used Twickets a fair bit, to both buy and sell tickets, and it really is great. Knowing you'll never pay much more then face value (+fees) is a real winner, and there's usually plenty of bargains to be had on the day of things.

 

Although wouldn't expect many bargains for Oasis of course!

[pink_triangle]

15 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

Just for a laugh I’ve checked Viagogo. Cheapest Heaton Park £619, dearest £5904.

If they manage to sell the tickets for 5904 then they can come and have a go and shifting some of my old cds. I lost heart in the past when Music magpie wouldn’t even give me £1 for a bluestones album!

[efcfanwirral]

20 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Twickets have responded to criticism and reduced their fees to 11% (1% transaction fee) and capped at £25.

makes sense, I'm guessing they didn't really ever expect expensive tickets like that to appear on their site, so never really saw the 10% as a big deal. 

[efcfanwirral]

11 minutes ago, doogie said:

I don't know how comparable this is, but I was watching the secondary market for the UK leg of the Eras tour quite closely.

 

Very few tickets went up on Twickets, while Stubhub and Viagogo had hundreds for sale at any given time.  The vast majority of these sold on the day of each concert, generally for between £500 (for restricted view) and £1200 each.  There were absolutely no bargains to be had.

I think the codes situation makes it different, as many tickets went into the hands of real fans. With Oasis its more open, so I'm thinking a bit more churn. What also didn't help is that you had to sign up for a city for Taylor. So I signed up for Liverpool but didn't consider doing London as well, so had almost no chance of Wembley in August. 

[clarkete]

6 minutes ago, Nathan Explosion said:

 

Nice, Twickets continuing to be by far the best ticket reseller out there. I hope the Ts&Cs warning people off other resellers prove effective cos I've used Twickets a fair bit, to both buy and sell tickets, and it really is great. Knowing you'll never pay much more then face value (+fees) is a real winner, and there's usually plenty of bargains to be had on the day of things.

 

Certainly puts the ball in TM, the band and Viagogo's court for any other grief. 

[MilkyJoe]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Which is exactly how airline tickets have been sold for years - but the government and customers and celebreties never got annoyed about that!

I frequently get annoyed that I can't book a cheap hotel room last minute like in t'olden days.

[clarkete]

Radcliffe and Maconie mentioned this yesterday, that 40,000 people went to Heaton Park in 1909 to hear a singer on record for the first time... 

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/day-40000-suited-booted-edwardians-29829291.amp

[Sitruc97]

Having caught up on this thread our group of 16 feel incredibly lucky to get standing sorted for Wembley.

[Narnia]

54 minutes ago, gfa said:

 

If they want more money perhaps they should get off their arses and do more than 14 dates?

 

How much money do they even need anyway? 

 

They could also just look at pricing other tickets higher as well. If people want to attend as a VIP then maybe further increase that price. This would allow more people with a low budget to at least get a foot in the door.  

[pink_triangle]

13 minutes ago, Narnia said:

How much money do they even need anyway? 

 

They could also just look at pricing other tickets higher as well. If people want to attend as a VIP then maybe further increase that price. This would allow more people with a low budget to at least get a foot in the door.  

You could say the same about premier league footballers or Hollywood film stars , but the majority of these will maximise earning opportunities.

 

I think I read one has an expensive divorce to pay for. I guess the volatile relationship between the brothers means they probably want to cash in while they can still work together.