news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, incident said:

Do the Boris allies really not remember history, or is it a selective thing?

I think Thatcher is worshipped in today's tory party...stupid fuckers.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, MrHew said:

The problem is, she's pretty divisive. My centrist peers can't stand her and it's those people that Labour need to get the swing from.

 

FWIW, I live where she grew up and she has a stronger accent than anyone that lives here now.

[incident]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think Thatcher is worshipped in today's tory party...stupid fuckers.

I understand that - but literally, in the two weeks leading up to the 1990 leadership challenge that sunk her, Labour were 15-20% ahead in polling. When she resigned, the polls switched overnight into a Tory lead - it was that big and immediate a difference. I can't see how invoking her resignation as "this is why you should rally behind Boris" would make sense to anyone with a vague awareness of history.

[Zoo Music Girl]

I fucking love Angela Rayner. Nice to see a bit of passion in politics.

[jimmillen]

54 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

They won an 80 seat majority while being led my a load of Eton and Oxford educated toffs same as they always are

Yeah, but the Brexit electoral reality distortion effect is now far less of a factor. The Tories haven’t really got anything to replace this to unify the weird coalition that voted for them in 2019.

Yes there are many other factors at play, but IMO this is one of the most significant - and one the Tories are most worried about. 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, incident said:

I understand that - but literally, in the two weeks leading up to the 1990 leadership challenge that sunk her, Labour were 15-20% ahead in polling. When she resigned, the polls switched overnight into a Tory lead - it was that big and immediate a difference. I can't see how invoking her resignation as "this is why you should rally behind Boris" would make sense to anyone with a vague awareness of history.

They don’t really believe it, they are just making stuff up to suit Johnson’s agenda. It’s like how they harp on about the Queen but will happily lie to her and party on the eve of her husband’s funeral. Everything they say or do is based on lies.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, jimmillen said:

Yeah, but the Brexit electoral reality distortion effect is now far less of a factor. The Tories haven’t really got anything to replace this to unify the weird coalition that voted for them in 2019.

Yes there are many other factors at play, but IMO this is one of the most significant - and one the Tories are most worried about. 

Johnson also managed to give off the effect that he’s not a toff and is a man of the people. He is literally playing a part that is the opposite of that. Which is why he can reach parts of the electorate no other Tory can.

[Lycra]

Hidden by the partygate furore. Has anyone else noticed that the much lauded Brexit free trade agreement with Australia, sold on the promise of cheaper wines, is about to be dismantled by new UK alcohol tarriffs....to the net disadvantage of an extra 40p on a £5 bottle.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I fucking love Angela Rayner. Nice to see a bit of passion in politics.

True. She's Starmer's equivalent of John Prescott

Edited January 27, 2022 by Ommadawn

[stuie]

Best description of JRM ever 😂😂😂

He really does. 

[Gingerfish79]

1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I fucking love Angela Rayner. Nice to see a bit of passion in politics.

Completely agree, the politician we need.

[Gingerfish79]

Let me guess, it was all a dream.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Let me guess, it was all a dream.

Pics of Sir Keir at an illegal rave in summer 2020.

[steviewevie]

43 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Let me guess, it was all a dream.

THERE WAS NO CAKE! according to Boris. 

[Ryan1984]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

THERE WAS NO CAKE! according to Boris. 

It was Schrodinger’s Cake.

[steviewevie]

what an amazing twist there from the amazing Christopher Hope.

[Cherry Tree]

49 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Let me guess, it was all a dream.

The cake was vegan and gluten-free, therefore it wasn’t really a cake at all.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Let me guess, it was all a dream.

Sunak was there all along?

[Ryan1984]

15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sunak was there all along?

Maybe he was IN the cake singing Happy Birthday, Mr Prime Minister?

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

THERE WAS NO CAKE! according to Boris. 

Yet more gaslighting. 

[Guest]

 

[stuartbert two hats]

The PM making a play for the Portal vote, it seems.

[fatyeti24]

53 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Is this the 'surprising twist'?

Edited January 27, 2022 by fatyeti24

[steviewevie]

Guardian reckons Johnson could do a U-turn on the NI rise to placate backbench MPs if a vote of no confidence.

[fatyeti24]

Apologies if this has already been posted here, I've just seen it.

From Popbitch.

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Obviously it's handy when the government you're opposing becomes totally engulfed in scandal (not to mention an active police investigation) but Boris Johnson isn't the only person who's been helping Keir Starmer boost his profile this last little while.

We hear Starmer has apparently been getting a bit of outside assistance recently, helping to train him up for media appearances. From Dermot O'Leary.