When will this shit end?

[HalfAnIdiot]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I don't think the PE doc was claiming what he said as an absolute for all people, more of a general theme.

Doubtless, I can imagine it being age related too.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

 

within that it says "Lift almost all restrictions" with a "current plans" date of 23 September, and an "Accelerated scenario" date of 15 May.

For what those dates mean it says 

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The scenarios developed here suggest that, barring new strains of the virus, life could be largely back to normal by September under the government’s current plans for vaccine distribution. But normality could return in May under TBI’s accelerated vaccine rollout plan. The economic benefits of accelerating rollout are significant since it would mean being able to lift heavy restrictions sooner.

 

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

within that it says "Lift almost all restrictions" with a "current plans" date of 23 September, and an "Accelerated scenario" date of 15 May.

For what those dates mean it says 

 

If anything I think those dates could be out by a couple of months. We could normality in the summer (or very close to it) and then some restrictions brought back in the Autumn as winter draws in and schools go back. 

[xxialac]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

within that it says "Lift almost all restrictions" with a "current plans" date of 23 September, and an "Accelerated scenario" date of 15 May.

For what those dates mean it says 

 

Could 'almost all' and 'largely back to normal' not be taken to mean normal life, just no mass events though? Mass events are fun but they are rarely critical to normal functioning of society.

[steviewevie]

So this shit ends sometime between 15 May and 23 September but then possibly starts again in December sometime?

[zahidf]

19 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Could 'almost all' and 'largely back to normal' not be taken to mean normal life, just no mass events though? Mass events are fun but they are rarely critical to normal functioning of society.

I dont think social distancing will be considered as things being back to normal. Hand washing and mask wearing will probably be the most likely long lasting restrictions 

[eFestivals]

19 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Could 'almost all' and 'largely back to normal' not be taken to mean normal life, just no mass events though? Mass events are fun but they are rarely critical to normal functioning of society.

what's a 'mass event' tho?

The numbers aren't actually relevant, because it's not like everyone is in close contact with everyone. 

Which ultimately means a large wedding of say 200 people might have more cross-infections than Glastonbury for 200,000 people.

[HalfAnIdiot]

17 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Could 'almost all' and 'largely back to normal' not be taken to mean normal life, just no mass events though? Mass events are fun but they are rarely critical to normal functioning of society.

Mass events are 'normal' else you are redefining normal!

There is more than hope here. Barring a disastrous covid mutation we are on track to seeing live music events of all sizes indoors & outdoors this summer.

[zahidf]

30 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

within that it says "Lift almost all restrictions" with a "current plans" date of 23 September, and an "Accelerated scenario" date of 15 May.

For what those dates mean it says 

 

Once supply improves in March/April, I can see an accelerated rollout being the govt policy.

[steviewevie]

Just now, zahidf said:

I dont think social distancing will be considered as things being back to normal. Hand washing and mask wearing will probably be the most likely long lasting restrictions 

There is no fucking way I'm continuiing washing my hands when all this is over.

[xxialac]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

So this shit ends sometime between 15 May and 23 September but then possibly starts again in December sometime?

I've got 28 June in the raffle. Pray for me.

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

what's a 'mass event' tho?

The numbers aren't actually relevant, because it's not like everyone is in close contact with everyone. 

Which ultimately means a large wedding of say 200 people might have more cross-infections than Glastonbury for 200,000 people.

I normally agree with pretty much everything you write but that's a bit unrealistic.

200,000 people over 5 days versus 200 people for 1 day?

And there's plenty of close contact and general mingling at both.

 

[JoeyT]

Does anyone's mood currently go from massive peaks to massive troughs with almost no inbetween?

I currently find my mood literally going from "we could potentially have a festival and pub beers this summer" to "this shit is never going to end" on a near hourly basis.

All based on stuff I read on here / see in the news.

[Sasperella]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

So this shit ends sometime between 15 May and 23 September but then possibly starts again in December sometime?

?

[xxialac]

5 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

Mass events are 'normal' else you are redefining normal!

Yes, I agree mass events are normal.

But the report doesn't say 'normal'. It says 'largely back to normal' (which means not quite normal).

[FakeEmpire]

Hancock talks about "the great British Summer" which is obviously a typically vague term.

For most people, I think that's packed beaches & parks, festivals, football, BBQs, beer gardens and Wimbledon.  Hard to push for a "great British summer" without mass events.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

I normally agree with pretty much everything you write but that's a bit unrealistic.

200,000 people over 5 days versus 200 people for 1 day?

And there's plenty of close contact and general mingling at both.

 

I picked a wedding as it's quite possible that everyone will huge and kiss each other, and one person could infect everyone.

Maybe 200 against 200,000 is a bit off for a comparison, but one infected person at Glastonbury is very unlikely to infect anything like the same while most people wouldn't come close to someone who was infected if infection levels were like last summer's low.

[priest17]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yes, I agree mass events are normal.

But the report doesn't say 'normal'. It says 'largely back to normal' (which means not quite normal).

Yeah it's a bit vague, I'm sure to some people last summer we were largely back to normal.

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Does anyone's mood currently go from massive peaks to massive troughs with almost no inbetween?

I currently find my mood literally going from "we could potentially have a festival and pub beers this summer" to "this shit is never going to end" on a near hourly basis.

All based on stuff I read on here / see in the news.

yeah a little. I have breaks from the news and here occasionally which helps!

[JoeyT]

 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Does anyone's mood currently go from massive peaks to massive troughs with almost no inbetween?

I currently find my mood literally going from "we could potentially have a festival and pub beers this summer" to "this shit is never going to end" on a near hourly basis.

All based on stuff I read on here / see in the news.

I'm doing ok with this lockdown...loving not having to go into the office...but getting a bit of cabin fever stuck at home with the family all the time...and can't wait to go to a pub/cafe/cinema...and can't wait to see some friends and family....but overall I'm ok with it...because I can see it ending over the next few months.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

9 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I normally agree with pretty much everything you write but that's a bit unrealistic.

200,000 people over 5 days versus 200 people for 1 day?

And there's plenty of close contact and general mingling at both.

 

But how many people would those infected people at Glastonbury come into contact with between Wednesday-Sunday if they didn’t go to Glastonbury? It’s really just perception when it comes to events. 

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, xxialac said:

But the report doesn't say 'normal'. It says 'largely back to normal' (which means not quite normal).

everyone seems to agree that some more minor measures are likely to remain for at least a while - say, for example. masks.

But that still leaves of unanswered questions. Masks could be required the same as now, or or they might remain for (say) just public transport.

Given that the driver to open things up will be economic, I think the public transport example is going to be closer to what happens because it doesn't really alter anyone's behaviour and cause an economic impact, while mask wearing for fun things would do.

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Does anyone's mood currently go from massive peaks to massive troughs with almost no inbetween?

I currently find my mood literally going from "we could potentially have a festival and pub beers this summer" to "this shit is never going to end" on a near hourly basis.

All based on stuff I read on here / see in the news.

Absolutely ... I’ve got the highest fluctuations in the % will it happen thread ... the corona coaster is very real 

[Ozanne]

This will definitely end, we are so close to it all ending. Give it another few months and we’ll be nearly back to normal doing the things we all love again. It’s not long now!