When will this shit end?

[DeanoL]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You unlock then - cases go up - does it look any better ?   You can not avoid a exit wave - fact

I guess technically you can? But you'd need to have the exact level of restrictions that allowed a really slow level of growth - like an effective R of 1.01 - Stage 2 is too much as that was pushing cases down. Stage 3 isn't enough as that's seeing cases doubling regularly anyway. But feasibly if you found it and people were willing to put up with it for long enough you could do it... not worth it of course. 

I do think that was the original plan though - if it wasn't for Delta and this summer was like last summer in terms of speed of spread under Stage 3 restrictions, then adding in the vaccine, Stage 4 would probably be exactly that. Which is what I think the government were hoping for.

[Matt42]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Possibly, I just clarified her comments as the original interpretation could've been misleading.

 

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I know - call it what it is

It’s this incredibly annoying approach that assumes the restrictions are fine and not that disruptive or bad. Just stinks to me of someone who hasn’t seen their life affected at all by restrictions so is happy to have them continue.

Stage 2 restrictions are awful. You could kiss goodbye to Glastonbury ever happening again. Not everyone wants to live in your doomsday 

[Guest]

Just now, Matt42 said:

 

It’s this incredibly annoying approach that assumes the restrictions are fine and not that disruptive or bad. Just stinks to me of someone who hasn’t seen their life affected at all by restrictions so is happy to have them continue.

Stage 2 restrictions are awful. You could kiss goodbye to Glastonbury ever happening again. Not everyone wants to live in your doomsday 

I never said that in fact I even pointed out in my post that I wasn't saying I agreed. All I did was clarify what she actually said as the original post miss-interpreted it.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

 

It’s this incredibly annoying approach that assumes the restrictions are fine and not that disruptive or bad. Just stinks to me of someone who hasn’t seen their life affected at all by restrictions so is happy to have them continue.

Stage 2 restrictions are awful. You could kiss goodbye to Glastonbury ever happening again. Not everyone wants to live in your doomsday 

Hold fire a minute did ozzanne say he wanted to live with those circumstances forever ? 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

 

It’s this incredibly annoying approach that assumes the restrictions are fine and not that disruptive or bad. Just stinks to me of someone who hasn’t seen their life affected at all by restrictions so is happy to have them continue.

Stage 2 restrictions are awful. You could kiss goodbye to Glastonbury ever happening again. Not everyone wants to live in your doomsday 

No-one said that though. They just said stage 2 isn't "lockdown". And that's certainly valid as stage 2 doesn't include the "stay at home" order which is a core part of lockdown - the bit where y'know, you're actually locked down at home other than for a list of specified reasons.

Doesn't mean the stage 2 restrictions aren't heavy and awful. 

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Hold fire a minute did ozzanne say he wanted to live with those circumstances forever ? 

The fact he said stage 2 wasn’t a lockdown tells me enough 

[efcfanwirral]

55 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

For the first time through this entire thing I'm considering completely detoxing for a couple of weeks post-19th. The media and socials are going to be a fucking mess and I'm genuinely not sure if I can handle the constant nail-biting, flip flopping, hour-by-hour shitshow any more.

I often wonder what it's like to be someone that isn't plugged into news and endless micro-updates and tweets in the same way a lot of people like most of us are.

They're the types who get taken by surprise by restrictions. They're probably happier in general though but it's two big extremes

21 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Thread about govt discussions on whether France should go on red list...beta.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

This is why holidaying in a amber list country is so risky.  

I don't see how they do it.  People just can't do it.  Its too expensive. 

They need to decide in the next couple of days before thousands of families travel.

Boris sounding very reluctant to implement this. Sound familiar? 

I'm sure we'll find that this beta variant doesn't actually evade the vaccines, but the fact its a) been talked about and b) the scientists think it might mean that if this gets let into the country we'll overreact again. And he's going to let it into the country because he doesn't want to piss off a country we've already pissed off consistently for years

Edited July 16, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

The fact he said stage 2 wasn’t a lockdown tells me enough 

Ok I disagree with that … but that’s a completely different thing .. he attends Glastonbury just like you and me … please can you stop making assumptions about what people on the internet actually want ? Maybe just ask what they want instead and see how they respond … I think that’s probably fair … you keep doing it time and time again … 

[Chapple12345]

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Ok I disagree with that … but that’s a completely different thing .. he attends Glastonbury just like you and me … please can you stop making assumptions about what people on the internet actually want ? Maybe just ask what they want instead and see how they respond … I think that’s probably fair … you keep doing it time and time again … 

It's alright, I'll say that I don't want another lockdown for many different reasons but there are elements of the pandemic life that I wouldn't mind staying such as app ordering in pubs for example. I don't want us to go back to step 2 but if it's needed then I would understand that and follow those rules accordingly. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Again - a little bit picky who you hold to account and who you don't on such things

Picky why ? I said I disagreed with Ozanne’s post about restrictions ?  

[steviewevie]

isn't a lockdown actually a term that comes from prisons when everyone gets locked in their cells because of a riot or something....and now is just used for a level of restrictions in this pandemic. So, to some we are still locked down now, whereas others might think lockdown ended when we moved to step 2. None of the restrictions have come close to how it was back in March/April 2020 though, that was kind of hardcore. I remember my missus got told off by the coppers for driving to a park to walk the dog.

[DeanoL]

Just now, Ozanne said:

It's alright, I'll say that I don't want another lockdown for many different reasons but there are elements of the pandemic life that I wouldn't mind staying such as app ordering in pubs for example. I don't want us to go back to step 2 but if it's needed then I would understand that and follow those rules accordingly. 

Come on, you corrected someone's inaccurate use of a specific term, which makes you a grammar NERD and we know all the NERDS want us locked up forever so that's all we need to judge you 😄

[stuartbert two hats]

19 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

This is something that people don’t like Ozanne. Lockdown lovers trying to say things aren’t a lockdown when they are almost definitely a lockdown. Any restrictions resembling anything like stage 2 is a lockdown. 

This is something that people don't like Matt43. Lockdown haters trying to say things are a lockdown when they almost definitely aren't a lockdown. Any restrictions resembling anything like stage 2 isn't a lockdown.

 

Do you see how ridiculous and patronising that sounds? Especially when you're wrong.

Being able to go to the pub, with no stay at home order isn't "lockdown", that's not what the term means.

[kalifire]

36 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

This thread summed up in one 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by kalifire

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

They're the types who get taken by surprise by restrictions. They're probably happier in general though but it's two big extremes

 

Boris sounding very reluctant to implement this. Sound familiar? 

I'm sure we'll find that this beta variant doesn't actually evade the vaccines, but the fact its a) been talked about and b) the scientists think it might mean that if this gets let into the country we'll overreact again. And he's going to let it into the country because he doesn't want to piss off a country we've already pissed off consistently for years

I think beta less infectious than delta, right? But weren't they concerned that AZ was less effective against beta (SA)? Maybe that's the worry.

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Adding France to the red list won't stop a variant coming here.  You still will have thousands of truck drivers flying backwards and forwards etc all over the country.

It's fruitless.

True but might slow it down with the hols coming up? I doubt its a problem in reality but it could be a perceived problem that gives ammunition to certain people. 

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I think beta less infectious than delta, right? But weren't they concerned that AZ was less effective against beta (SA)? Maybe that's the worry.

Yeah that's it - that's the one the biggest worries over vaccines were from. I imagine as with all of them the data shakes out to a similar level to the others over time, but if we get it in the country people will panic initially 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Do you see how ridiculous and patronising that sounds? Especially when you're wrong.

Being able to go to the pub, with no stay at home order isn't "lockdown", that's not what the term means.

To be fair the word has sort of changed to encompass all sorts of measures, even the government website uses the phrase "lockdown measure" to describe the stages of the roadmap. So I don't think it's flat out wrong to use it that way. But it's also not wrong to think "lockdown = stay at home order". 

Given the different interpretations, it's absolutely fair for someone to go "just so you know, when the headline says 'lockdown' it means 'stage 2'" - that's just being a helpful contributor to the thread. Why anyone feels the need to attack someone for pointing that out I've no idea.

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Picky on who you ask not to do certain things - like make assumptions / insult / use personal experience as what the wider world feels...

You don't mind it from then ones who you generally agree with.  But we have been over this time and time again.

 

And you with me every post Barry please put me on ignore 

[steviewevie]

27 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Possibly, I just clarified her comments as the original interpretation could've been misleading.

I love your zen response to his angry twat post.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

And you with me every post Barry please put me on ignore 

Baz Fish is that bloke with a firecracker up his arse.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I don't believe in echo chambers or ignoring other peoples views.

Ok just stop quoting me then … u can see my views then 

[Hannibal Schmitt]

7 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

True but might slow it down with the hols coming up? I doubt its a problem in reality but it could be a perceived problem that gives ammunition to certain people. 

Germany or their Robert Koch Institute to be exact has classified France in the same category like Croatia which is on the green Watchlist in the UK, really weird, think there is the Beta variant causing concerns in Reunion and other oversea destinations, but not very much in mainland France itself.

[Matt42]

14 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

This is something that people don't like Matt43. Lockdown haters trying to say things are a lockdown when they almost definitely aren't a lockdown. Any restrictions resembling anything like stage 2 isn't a lockdown.

 

Do you see how ridiculous and patronising that sounds? Especially when you're wrong.

Being able to go to the pub, with no stay at home order isn't "lockdown", that's not what the term means.

What on earth are you on about? In what way is “Wider social contact rules will apply in all these settings to prevent indoor mixing between different households.” not a form of lockdown?

Give your head a wobble. I fear you’ve been completely thrown off track here to think restrictions like that aren’t a significant form of hinderance on most people’s lives.