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5 hours ago, Chilly Toad said:

Two things:

NOS Primavera has now been cancelled - only vouchers mentioned in the press release.

Maybe one of the Primavera apologists can explain how Sonar can do what Primavera can't do and whye NOS doesn't even mention refunds.

Well, maybe because Portuguese legislation (to help the promoters in a difficult situation) only refers vouchers as possibility of refund. They will give vouchers to the people who wants to get "refunded", so people can use the voucher in a different gig of that promoter. And yes, I know what you are thinking, you do not live in Portugal, so probably your only option is to keep your ticket for 2021. Think about Rolling Loud that would take place in Algarve next summer. 46 thousand tickets sold overseas (from a total of 55 thousand). And yes, the promoter will only give vouchers (at least is what they said).

And yes, I am Portuguese, I know what I am talking. Next time, please check all the news (not only - "why NOS is only referring vouchers and not refunds?"), to help me to not need to register to write this.

We all bought tickets, and we all know that in the Selling conditions, there is a thing that says - no refund in case of force majeure. Yes, it is a complicated situation. For everyone. Not only for costumers. Also for companies. Even airline companies are giving vouchers; tour operators are offering vouchers.

Deal with that. Work more, complain less.

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2 hours ago, MeMeMeM said:

Well, maybe because Portuguese legislation (to help the promoters in a difficult situation) only refers vouchers as possibility of refund. They will give vouchers to the people who wants to get "refunded", so people can use the voucher in a different gig of that promoter. And yes, I know what you are thinking, you do not live in Portugal, so probably your only option is to keep your ticket for 2021. Think about Rolling Loud that would take place in Algarve next summer. 46 thousand tickets sold overseas (from a total of 55 thousand). And yes, the promoter will only give vouchers (at least is what they said).

And yes, I am Portuguese, I know what I am talking. Next time, please check all the news (not only - "why NOS is only referring vouchers and not refunds?"), to help me to not need to register to write this.

We all bought tickets, and we all know that in the Selling conditions, there is a thing that says - no refund in case of force majeure. Yes, it is a complicated situation. For everyone. Not only for costumers. Also for companies. Even airline companies are giving vouchers; tour operators are offering vouchers.

Deal with that. Work more, complain less.

you can ask for a refund but only starting january 2022

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31 minutes ago, bananaa52 said:

you can ask for a refund but only starting january 2022

Yes, indeed. At least accordingly with last information. It is a work in progress. Anyway, I don't see someone waiting like almost two years for a refund.

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Hmm is that the same @nowheretohide responsible for these gems?

"Im still pretty sure 90% that Primavera will happen...some here on this thread literally are having hard on whenever they read something about corona"

(followed by sound of screeching u-turn , now saying it won't happen plus throw in a trump-style conspiracy)

"I don't trust anything that who said about covid19 all this looks like biological warfare..."

 

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50 minutes ago, MeMeMeM said:

Yes, indeed. At least accordingly with last information. It is a work in progress. Anyway, I don't see someone waiting like almost two years for a refund.

i guess it is obvious but i still didn't see it explicitly written. the tickets for this year will be transferred for next year's edition right? the voucher is just an option we have right?

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4 hours ago, MeMeMeM said:

And yes, I am Portuguese, I know what I am talking. Next time, please check all the news (not only - "why NOS is only referring vouchers and not refunds?"), to help me to not need to register to write this.

Sorry for making you register. Thank you for trying to do Primavera's job.

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3 hours ago, bananaa52 said:

i guess it is obvious but i still didn't see it explicitly written. the tickets for this year will be transferred for next year's edition right? the voucher is just an option we have right?

The proposal of the government has not been approved yet. I believe that only this week they will give all the details. I imagine that who wants to keep the ticket, will be able to do that. Only who wants a "refund" will get a voucher. At least it is what is expected.

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2 hours ago, Chilly Toad said:

Sorry for making you register. Thank you for trying to do Primavera's job.

Primavera's job? The Spanish government has not decided yet about music festivals. Are you talking about Primavera's job or Spanish government's job?

Yes, we all know that will not take place. But, at this very moment, there is not a prohibition from the government. There are several festivals in the same situation: BBK Live, MadCool, Low Festival, Azkena Rock, Vida, Ressurection, and many more. All of them taking place before Primavera (June/July). All of them waiting to see how to deal with the situation.

For you is easy to say: "hey, give me my money back". Everybody wants the same. But if my boss refunds all his costumers in cash (I work at a tour operator), probably I will not get my salary (which, by the way, was cut in 33%, since we are in lay-off). So, to honor is duties, he gives vouchers to the clients, so they can use them later. Is it the ideal? No. But, is better than nothing.

And I would say the same for any other festival. Yes, Primavera is my favorite festival. Yes, their communication sometimes can be awful. And yes, they are a business and, besides their "love" for music and music fans, they want the business to be profit (do you like to work for free?). But they gave me some of the best moments of my life (musically speaking, but even further). I like to show them some respect.

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Sometimes feel that people care more about communication - in the midst of a massive crisis - than they do about other things surely of much greater importance. Yes, it has been mostly poor this year but over the last 10 years their communication has been fine (other then their annual gimmicky lineup announcements).

If you could only pick two of these, which would you choose?

- Read good communication about ticket refunds

- Be offered ticket refund

- Attend an absolutely brilliant festival, overflowing with great acts and well organised

If I had to weight these three areas, the final one would get 95%+ of the available marks and the second is surely much more important than the first.

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42 minutes ago, MeMeMeM said:

Primavera's job?

For you is easy to say: "hey, give me my money back"

Man, you said work more, complain less. If you had read what I wrote, you'd have seen that what I want from Primavera is some information.

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13 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Sometimes feel that people care more about communication - in the midst of a massive crisis - than they do about other things surely of much greater importance. Yes, it has been mostly poor this year but over the last 10 years their communication has been fine (other then their annual gimmicky lineup announcements).

If you could only pick two of these, which would you choose?

- Read good communication about ticket refunds

- Be offered ticket refund

- Attend an absolutely brilliant festival, overflowing with great acts and well organised

If I had to weight these three areas, the final one would get 95%+ of the available marks and the second is surely much more important than the first.

Nice. Still doesn't answer why PS have stopped all communication with their customers. Read the Facebook comments. Lots and lots of people want them to communicate. What's so hard about it?

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1 minute ago, Chilly Toad said:

Nice. Still doesn't answer why PS have stopped all communication with their customers. Read the Facebook comments. Lots and lots of people want them to communicate. What's so hard about it?

What do you want them to say besides what they already said? 

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2 hours ago, diogozsz said:

What do you want them to say besides what they already said? 

What have they already said? Very little, after  moving the festival to dates that were clearly unworkable and making vague promises about 'alternatives' soon. That was five weeks ago and nothing since. You can't see why people might find that inadequate? 

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3 minutes ago, Growlkass said:

What have they already said? Very little, after  moving the festival to dates that were clearly unworkable and making vague promises about 'alternatives' soon. That was five weeks ago and nothing since. You can't see why people might find that inadequate? 

Yes, I do and I'm pissed off too since I have a ticket on my hands. 

But if there's no progress what do you want them to say? Do you want a weekly "Hey Primavera Sound fans, we still don't have any news but we want you all to know that we're alive. :)" update? They're as clueless as we are right now. Should they be? No, but they are. 

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To be honest, I'm finding this discussion about Primavera's communications to be a storm in a teacup. There's a much bigger problem, which is whether it's even possible for the festival to take place in its current form next year.

I suspect I'll take the voucher option, to keep faith with the festival, but I'm not kidding myself that there's a better than 50% chance of it happening next year.

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2 minutes ago, daveje said:

To be honest, I'm finding this discussion about Primavera's communications to be a storm in a teacup. There's a much bigger problem, which is whether it's even possible for the festival to take place in its current form next year.

I suspect I'll take the voucher option, to keep faith with the festival, but I'm not kidding myself that there's a better than 50% chance of it happening next year.

This comment is spot on. 

Governments are making wholesale changes to city infrastructure and working environments. This is massively inconvenient but they are doing it because they believe we are here for the long haul.

The reasons mass gatherings are risky now are the same as why they will be risky next June. Scientists are divided as to whether we will have vaccine roll out by then. Probably more think we won't than think we will.

Salvation it seems can only come if there is a vaccine that is both demonstrably effective and if it is able to be rolled out at unprecedented scale and if  immunity conferred is reasonably long-term.

A lot of ifs.

The very existence of music festivals is under threat. And the longer this goes on, the more will close. Yes, they are commercial organisations but it still stands to ruin the livelihoods of the human beings who work for them and the human beings who work in the supply chain.

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You can love going to festivals and still be critical of the choices they make. Being pissed off about refund communcations doesn't mean you're gunning for entire industries to fail. It's not mutually exclusive.

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I may grab a refund of my tickets and grab a resale Glastonbury,

just feel it's a safer bet than a festival that involves a longer flight. I'll wait and see what's offered or if a new big name is added in their upcoming press release. But based on this year I reckon it'll be easier for me to get to the UK from Ireland for 2021. 

Maybe even all points east, quite liked the look of the Tame Impala day. Massive attack day with an exclusive acoustic Thom Yorke/Radiohead mixed set looked good too. 
 

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10 hours ago, diogozsz said:

But if there's no progress what do you want them to say? Do you want a weekly "Hey Primavera Sound fans, we still don't have any news but we want you all to know that we're alive. :)" update? They're as clueless as we are right now. Should they be? No, but they are. 

I'm sorry but this just isn't factual at all.

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1 hour ago, Rico_Pliskin said:

I may grab a refund of my tickets and grab a resale Glastonbury,

just feel it's a safer bet than a festival that involves a longer flight. I'll wait and see what's offered or if a new big name is added in their upcoming press release. But based on this year I reckon it'll be easier for me to get to the UK from Ireland for 2021. 

Maybe even all points east, quite liked the look of the Tame Impala day. Massive attack day with an exclusive acoustic Thom Yorke/Radiohead mixed set looked good too. 
 

I suspect there's less chance of getting a resale ticket for Glastonbury next year than spending three days at Primavera without being offered 1 euro beer at the entrance. 

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33 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I suspect there's less chance of getting a resale ticket for Glastonbury next year than spending three days at Primavera without being offered 1 euro beer at the entrance. 

mmmmmmm....  one euro beer.....

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1 hour ago, xxialac said:

I suspect there's less chance of getting a resale ticket for Glastonbury next year than spending three days at Primavera without being offered 1 euro beer at the entrance. 

It's a good point, I guess in the case of Glasto I hope that people are a bit on the fence when buying resale tickets. 

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The issue with Glastonbury it's normally incredibly difficult even at the best of times and with tickets rolling over to next year, there's now 2 years worth of pent up demand. 

Being on (or over) the fence might be the only way of getting in : )

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