Coachella

[FloorFiller]

1 minute ago, gfa said:

Yeah I've done Sziget - not quite the same but as you said it is very cheap. Its pretty easy to smuggle too thankfully

Foals are pretty big opposition, i know where i'll be!

Yeah they’re a festival favourite, but they’re hardly gonna be hurting Billie’s crowd. Anybody with a passing interest in Billie will go see her - you can see Foals anywhere, all of the time.

[gfa]

Just now, FloorFiller said:

Yeah they’re a festival favourite, but they’re hardly gonna be hurting Billie’s crowd. Anybody with a passing interest in Billie will go see her - you can see Foals anywhere, all of the time.

I'm not sure, i'm pretty sure Foals is going to be fairly rammed and so will PSB.

[FloorFiller]

1 minute ago, gfa said:

I'm not sure, i'm pretty sure Foals is going to be fairly rammed and so will PSB.

It’ll be busy, but really not much more than any other Other headliner. Hoards of people aren’t gonna be filling the Other field to get away from Billie’s set, anyway.

PSB on the other hand (and also Bicep) I can see being pretty damn busy; don’t think Kendrick is gonna be pulling a particularly mammoth crowd. 

[Madyaker]

She’ll probably have the smallest crowd of the headliners but who cares? As long as they get the mix right and the crowd can hear her it’ll be fine. Not that I’ll be there. 

[FloorFiller]

Just now, Madyaker said:

She’ll probably have the smallest crowd of the headliners but who cares? As long as they get the mix right and the crowd can hear her it’ll be fine. Not that I’ll be there. 

No way she’s getting a smaller crowd than Kendrick. I love Kendrick, but he’s undeniably the smallest headliner this year. 

[gfa]

1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:

No way she’s getting a smaller crowd than Kendrick. I love Kendrick, but he’s undeniably the smallest headliner this year. 

He's not even small its just his genre of music at Glastonbury. Will kill it no doubt but i've seen him before so will be at PSB or Bicep. PSB will be crazy busy

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Way overdue a Pyramid headliner using a catwalk that stretches all the way through the pit. Hope Billie tests out how well that works ahead of Taylor headlining next year. 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Rose-Colored Boy

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

Me and my crowd saw Billie on the other in 2017 and we’ve got less than zero interest in seeing her again, so will definitely be elsewhere.

[Madyaker]

15 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Me and my crowd saw Billie on the other in 2017 and we’ve got less than zero interest in seeing her again, so will definitely be elsewhere.

Pretty much the same for my crowd. I think we will be split between Bicep and Kendrick and we’ll all be at Macca.

[zico martin]

24 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Me and my crowd saw Billie on the other in 2017 and we’ve got less than zero interest in seeing her again, so will definitely be elsewhere.

Yeah seen Billie last time and enjoyed but no need for a repeat.  I enjoy Foals on record but have always been a bit bored by them live so am looking forward to seeing what else is on offer. Any ideas? Never done a JP headliner before 🙂

Edited April 17, 2022 by zico martin

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

7 minutes ago, zico martin said:

Yeah seen Billie last time and enjoyed but no need for a repeat.  I enjoy Foals on record but have always been a bit bored by them live so am looking forward to seeing what else is on offer. Any ideas? Never done a JP headliner before 🙂

I think we’ll probably be at Foals, I love them but have seen them several times so would he happy to skip them however at this stage I wouldn’t know what for. I’ve completely lost track but I think from memory Four Tet is probably another of the headliners.

[chazwwe]

In terms of Billies vocals, just watched a bit of Megans set and her vocals were set ridiculously low in the mix as well, looked like she was miming. 

[Matt42]

7 minutes ago, chazwwe said:

In terms of Billies vocals, just watched a bit of Megans set and her vocals were set ridiculously low in the mix as well, looked like she was miming. 

Coachella (and other US festivals/events for some reason) have weird audio mixing. It always sounds terrible.

I don’t know what it is but UK festivals / BBC coverage seems to pick up way more sound than the US does. US sounds like they are trying to go for a clean sound whereas the UK doesn’t mind if you can hear the crowd?

It’s weird and very noticeable.

[gfa]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Coachella (and other US festivals/events for some reason) have weird audio mixing. It always sounds terrible.

I don’t know what it is but UK festivals / BBC coverage seems to pick up way more sound than the US does. US sounds like they are trying to go for a clean sound whereas the UK doesn’t mind if you can hear the crowd?

It’s weird and very noticeable.

Without flogging a dead horse, there might be a bit more crowd to hear in the UK.

I love hearing the crowd honestly, its huge for the atmosphere and based on how the BBC films this would make sense. There's no point panning to the crowd every 15 seconds if you can't hear them

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, gfa said:

Without flogging a dead horse, there might be a bit more crowd to hear in the UK.

I love hearing the crowd honestly, its huge for the atmosphere and based on how the BBC films this would make sense. There's no point panning to the crowd every 15 seconds if you can't hear them

I’m not an audio expert but it honestly feels like two completely different audio set ups. 
 

 

Beyoncé’s set sounds right but you can tell they are actively cutting out the audience where they can. Apart from the odd crowd cheer (which could honestly be manufactured), they don’t want you to hear the crowd. 
 

 

Listening to Miley straight after its like night and day. It’s like the microphones are all positioned in different places and the balance just feels completely different.

This is why I never judge Coachella sets for audience interaction or whether people know the words to the songs. Because I feel like the set up doesn’t give you a full picture at all of what really is happening in that field.

[Bucketsquad]

5 minutes ago, gfa said:

Without flogging a dead horse, there might be a bit more crowd to hear in the UK.

I love hearing the crowd honestly, its huge for the atmosphere and based on how the BBC films this would make sense. There's no point panning to the crowd every 15 seconds if you can't hear them

I agree, the crowd noise gives it that special feeling that sets it apart from a CD or stream.

[Matt42]

The BBC coverage is fantastic because it makes you both bond with the artist and the crowd. Maybe I’m falling into a bit of British superiority but there is definitely an art to how they do it.

[Rose-Colored Boy]

It’s not down to how the bands sound in the field either because even the Other Stage sounds better than Coachella’s live streams. 

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

It’s not down to how the bands sound in the field either because even the Other Stage sounds better than Coachella’s live streams. 

I have no evidence but I think they do something to the audio which makes it sound flat. Like overproduced music that has no grit or soul. That kinda thing.

So clean that it has no *flavour*

[Matt42]

In fact someone showed me once a video someone took in the crowd in 2012 of the next episode (Dre and snoop), crowd was bellowing the lyrics.

On the stream you couldn’t hear any of that. Almost as if the crowd didn’t know the tune.

[chazwwe]

23 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Coachella (and other US festivals/events for some reason) have weird audio mixing. It always sounds terrible.

I don’t know what it is but UK festivals / BBC coverage seems to pick up way more sound than the US does. US sounds like they are trying to go for a clean sound whereas the UK doesn’t mind if you can hear the crowd?

It’s weird and very noticeable.

 

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

In fact someone showed me once a video someone took in the crowd in 2012 of the next episode (Dre and snoop), crowd was bellowing the lyrics.

On the stream you couldn’t hear any of that. Almost as if the crowd didn’t know the tune.

I think it has to do with 1, micing up the crowd and 2. How Coachella wants it to come across, it sounds like a recording. Trying to mimic a record feel. It all sounds very clean, backing track kinda style. 

[TheDayman]

10 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I’m not an audio expert but it honestly feels like two completely different audio set ups. 
 

 

Beyoncé’s set sounds right but you can tell they are actively cutting out the audience where they can. Apart from the odd crowd cheer (which could honestly be manufactured), they don’t want you to hear the crowd. 
 

 

Listening to Miley straight after its like night and day. It’s like the microphones are all positioned in different places and the balance just feels completely different.

This is why I never judge Coachella sets for audience interaction or whether people know the words to the songs. Because I feel like the set up doesn’t give you a full picture at all of what really is happening in that field.

The nerd in me is loving these comparisons (so much so I've started comparing fan videos of each set to get better idea of crowds)

Ultimately though, I think it boils down to investment and the fact that the BBC are broadcasting veterans with a production made primarily for TV. Coachella seems lower budget.

 

[Matt42]

4 minutes ago, chazwwe said:

 

I think it has to do with 1, micing up the crowd and 2. How Coachella wants it to come across, it sounds like a recording. Trying to mimic a record feel. It all sounds very clean, backing track kinda style. 

Yes exactly that, the BBC coverage puts an emphasis on Glastonbury itself as well as the act. How many sweeping shots of the Coachella scenery do you see in the coverage? None. How many times do you get that famous shot of the pyramid, the crowd, and the tor in the background?

[Rose-Colored Boy]

11 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I have no evidence but I think they do something to the audio which makes it sound flat. Like overproduced music that has no grit or soul. That kinda thing.

So clean that it has no *flavour*

Just so stupid 

[FloorFiller]

1 minute ago, TheDayman said:

The nerd in me is loving these comparisons (so much so I've started comparing fan videos of each set to get better idea of crowds)

Ultimately though, I think it boils down to investment and the fact that the BBC are broadcasting veterans with a production made primarily for TV. Coachella seems lower budget.

 

Yup, the BBC is recording for television which they specialise in. The Coachella stream is just that - a stream that will be watched on the internet. Really no point in comparing the two.