news & politics:discussion

[mattiloy]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I actually think the tory system of picking a leader is the best one. Allows the members a say, but doesn't let the member's pick someone who can't command the support of the MPs as happened with labour under Corbyn.

Or if the leader elected on a landslide by a mass membership cannot command the support of the mps then obviously the mps are out of step with the membership and should be deselected.

[Ozanne]

Great trolling by KFC.

[steviewevie]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Or if the leader elected on a landslide by a mass membership cannot command the support of the mps then obviously the mps are out of step with the membership and should be deselected.

Or the membership is more extreme and less bothered than MPs about what most voters are likely to want in their constituencies.

I think their needs to be a balance. Not sure which is best system.

[pink_triangle]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Or if the leader elected on a landslide by a mass membership cannot command the support of the mps then obviously the mps are out of step with the membership and should be deselected.

I think some weight should be given to the MPs who work with the candidates who have that direct experience that a member probably doesn't. I don't support vote lending (as seen with Abbott and Corbyn) as I think support if MPs is crucial in being an effective leader.

[Neil]

5 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Or if the leader elected on a landslide by a mass membership cannot command the support of the mps then obviously the mps are out of step with the membership and should be deselected.

its possible that the mps are smarter than the membership. the point of the leader is to serve the lectorate, not the members before anything else.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Neil

[Ryan1984]

I thought the Mail had turned on Spaffer?

[ian the worm]

Now it feels like Glasto Monday.

We’re all  packing up after the party and reading reviews, watching the highlights on iPlayer and checking the papers for photos. 

Whilst counting down to the next one. 

[Ozanne]

It doesn’t feel like he’s resigning, I need him to be booted out. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

26 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I thought the Mail had turned on Spaffer?

Yeah this confused me too! They were calling him a greasy piglet yesterday.

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It doesn’t feel like he’s resigning, I need him to be booted out. 

It does feel somewhat anticlimactic.

 

[lost]

Looks like Japans former PM has just been assassinated. Close range from a sawn off shot gun 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, lost said:

Looks like Japans former PM has just been assassinated. Close range from a sawn off shot gun 

Yeah, my missus and daughter are over there at moment...obviously big news there. Gun crime very unusual in Japan.

[zahidf]

Let him have one more party

 

[zahidf]

10 minutes ago, lost said:

Looks like Japans former PM has just been assassinated. Close range from a sawn off shot gun 

Well he isn't dead.... still in hospital

[lost]

8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Well he isn't dead.... still in hospital

Showing no vital signs apparently according to AFP.

Some discussion what the gun was. May of been homemade with a 3D printer.

Edited July 8, 2022 by lost

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

reckon spaffer wants to raid the chequers wine cellar

Edited July 8, 2022 by Neil

[steviewevie]

Abe has died.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

be interesting to see what happens to polls now Johnson gone and when they pick a replacement.

[Neil]

guardian say that Patel is thinking of standing.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

guardian say that Patel is thinking of standing.

another one that doesn't stand a chance.

[steviewevie]

it will be Truss, Sunak or Mordaunt. Maybe Javid.

[pink_triangle]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I don't get why some people stand who surely must know they stand no chance of winning.

Exposure and to increase chances of getting in the cabinet.

[Ozanne]

Labour have confirmed they will table a motion of no confidence in the government next week.

Great move. Now it’s down to the Tory rebels to bring down this PM.