news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I haven’t deceived myself at all, I have said both Brexit and Corbyn are the reasons for Johnson’s landslide in 2019 which is the case.

yeah, but all that was because of sinister moves by Starmer...obvs.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, but all that was because of sinister moves by Starmer...obvs.

He’s been playing 8D chess all this time.

[ian the worm]

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[Gingerfish79]

Brady in No. 10 apparently. Surely the time for pep talks has been and gone.

[steviewevie]

Graham Brady has gone into No.10.

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[steviewevie]

he's probably playing hide and seek with Truss at moment

[Punksnotdead]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Graham Brady has gone into No.10.

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Where's that 'It's happening' gif? 😃

[steviewevie]

oh...and apparently there is a new nightmare variant of omicron circulating...😬

[ian the worm]

[pink_triangle]

Watching this shit show has convinced me even more than if Jez had narrowly got over the line against May it would have been a disaster. A PM who can't command the support of their MPs is destined to fail.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

100% - and when you think what we have been through with Covid it would have lead to even more deaths and disaster.  At least Boris retained control during that period even if they did fuck up a lot of things.  Could of been a lot worse.

are you kidding ? .... i mean he missed cobra briefings , locked down late , brought dodgy PPE and had the worst death toll in Europe .... 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Watching this shit show has convinced me even more than if Jez had narrowly got over the line against May it would have been a disaster. A PM who can't command the support of their MPs is destined to fail.

I was talking the other day to my Dad that if Starmer had been in charge of Labour in 2017 I think Labour would’ve won that election. 

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

And you think it couldn't of been worse ?  

Take all the political madness we have today and dump it into a crisis like Covid and you would have had a much greater issue.  You have to be totally blinkered to not see that

I mean yeah but it’s not like this shit has ever happened before or will fingers crossed ever happen again 

[lost]

The big thing about Corbyn is he refused to say if he'd had the vaccine or not which probably would of destroyed confidence in it.

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Surely you see whatever you think of Boris, if nothing else, he retained the confidence and control of the house and largely the public!  and not having that during the crisis that was Covid could only have resulted in worse outcomes.  You are calling into question what I am saying but really your not looking at the whole and just focusing on the fact Boris got some shit wrong.  

Me saying it would have been worse under Corbyn isn't saying Boris did a great job.  

This was an entirely unique period of history.  Never before had we shut down the globe! 

Untill his parties in Downing Street or before that when DOminic Cummings was checking his eyesight ? Corbyn would have locked down sooner and not scrapped the pandemic preparedness …. Anyway it’s by the by as it’s all just guesses 

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

The big thing about Corbyn is he refused to say if he'd had the vaccine or not which probably would of destroyed confidence in it.

Might have been a very different thing if he was PM … we just don’t know 

[efcfanwirral]

26 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

And you think it couldn't of been worse ?  

Take all the political madness we have today and dump it into a crisis like Covid and you would have had a much greater issue.  You have to be totally blinkered to not see that

I've always maintained that the press and Tories would've used any attempt to lock down under Corbyn to say its a communist style takeover of the country. a sort of "see we told you so" type situation. 

Edited October 20, 2022 by efcfanwirral

[Guest]

Boris Johnson was the worst PM of all time, I’ll never ever know why some would ever want that useless criminal back in No 10.

[lost]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I've always maintained that the press and Tories would've used any attempt to lock down under Corbyn to say its a communist style takeover of the country. a sort of "see we told you so" type situation. 

Agree with this. If you support lockdowns the Tories were probably the best party to do it. Similar if people want the NHS reformed that's better coming from Labour. Definitely less pushback

Edited October 20, 2022 by lost

[Crazyfool01]

13 of her mps openly calling for Truss to step down 

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[mattiloy]

39 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I was talking the other day to my Dad that if Starmer had been in charge of Labour in 2017 I think Labour would’ve won that election. 

Starmer’s pre-partygate performance suggests otherwise.

Politics in the UK is a zero sum game. Labour’s erstwhile success is a product of the conservative’s abject failure. Nothing more.

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

Just now, mattiloy said:

Starmer’s pre-partygate performance suggests otherwise.

Politics in the UK is a zero sum game. Labour’s erstwhile success is a product of the conservative’s abject failure. Nothing more.

Polling suggests otherwise friend. 

[mattiloy]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Polling suggests otherwise friend. 

No… it suggests the exact opposite.

Because data for the counterfactual exists. Starmer’s labour’s popularity under a no tory meltdown condition, as was pre partygate, clearly demonstrates that partygate and everything that has happened since is the major causal factor to Labour’s current polling…

But observing evidence has never been your strong point.

Edited October 20, 2022 by mattiloy