news & politics:discussion

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, LJS said:

 

I think its more likely to be the year that the government of the United Kingdom ignores how the people of Scotland vote (again)

Or the gov t of Scotland nd iull ignore hkw the people of Scotland voted again. 

 

[eFestivals]

Westminster had to make clear

bat tvs only way to stag in the, eh was to. Vote, against indy in2014. Because Scots were lying to Scots. It'll take Scotland ten y ears to meet the su entry requirements. Which will. Be ten years ks a. Shrinkingeconomy  and Scottish chosen austerity. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Wesrtmj zterhaxtmKecleR tbat tvs only wY to stag in tbe, eh wS to. Ote, agai nsf ibdy in2014. Because Scots were lying to Scots. It'll take Scotland ten llus years to meet the su entry requirements. Which will. E ten years ks a. Shrinmi v eco. Y and Scottish chosen austerity. 

can I get this on a T shirt?

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

can I get this on a T shirt?

A y guff to avoid the issues. Scos lying to Scots  and shagging flags. 

[LJS]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

A y guff to avoid the issues. Scos lying to Scots  and shagging flags. 

who's shagging flags?

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, LJS said:

who's shagging flags?

Nationalists everywhere who are all the same you Scots have invented your own exceptioalist myth to wrap around your own flag shswggung. The claims of exceptional ism uis what makes you the same

[Glastoboy]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Westminster had to make clear

bat tvs only way to stag in the, eh was to. Vote, against indy in2014. Because Scots were lying to Scots. It'll take Scotland ten y ears to meet the su entry requirements. Which will. Be ten years ks a. Shrinkingeconomy  and Scottish chosen austerity. 

Time to head over to the 'Thread for Drunkards' chat? 😉

[eFestivals]

7 hours ago, Glastoboy said:

Time to head over to the 'Thread for Drunkards' chat? 😉

Time for you to do better because there's nothing smart about a spelling nazi. Typing on a phone isn't so easy. 

[eFestivals]

Indepeeundent Scotland joining the EU 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2020/02/05/what-would-it-take-for-scotland-to-rejoin-the-eu-as-an-independent-state/

 

[mcshed]

7 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Time for you to do better because there's nothing smart about a spelling nazi. Typing on a phone isn't so easy. 

To be fair Neil there is a tipping point where it goes from spelling mistakes to incomprehensible gobbledygook and your posts are sometimes guilty of reaching that point.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, mcshed said:

To be fair Neil there is a tipping point where it goes from spelling mistakes to incomprehensible gobbledygook and your posts are sometimes guilty of reaching that point.

I appreciate that I normally make an effort to correct them.ad you can see where I have from the wires by stamp.

 

Responses lik his are aklaoincomprehensibkle gbbledogook.

[LJS]

30 minutes ago, mcshed said:

To be fair Neil there is a tipping point where it goes from spelling mistakes to incomprehensible gobbledygook and your posts are sometimes guilty of reaching that point.

Even when his spelling is perfect 🙂

 

[eFestivals]

19 minutes ago, LJS said:

Even when his spelling is perfect 🙂

 

Anything to avoid engaging with the inconvenient facts.

[Haan]

 

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[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, Haan said:

 

 ???

No different to a business they lobby for private intrerests.

Edited April 15, 2021 by eFestivals

[Haan]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

No different to a business they lobby for private intrerests.

Trade unions represent workers, usually democratically too. How is that the same as a corporate lobbyist lol

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, Haan said:

 

 ???

so...can't trade unions register as lobbyists?

I think labour see this lobby scandal thing as a great opportunity to attack the tories, so this trade union question is something that could catch them out and tory party can counter attack...I guess Reeves wants to nullify this.

[mattiloy]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

so...can't trade unions register as lobbyists?

I think labour see this lobby scandal thing as a great opportunity to attack the tories, so this trade union question is something that could catch them out and tory party can counter attack...I guess Reeves wants to nullify this.

Pro-austerity, saboteur in chief Reeves’ attempted rehabilitation as soft left and Starmer’s closest confidente is probably the most worrying sign that Starmer is in the pocket of the hard right fash elements of the party. (I know they’re not really fascists, just thick, but if they are calling us ’hard left’ and ’trots’, I think its time to start using equally absurd terms towards them)

 

This from September 2015 - Corbyn had been in the job a couple of months.

I’m actually kind of amazed the guardian leaves these articles up - as evidence of the level of snidey, pernicious opposition to Corbyn’s leadership from day 1 - it undermines their whole shpeel about Corbyn being the problem. The PLP were always, and remain, the problem.

[steviewevie]

We really need PR and then labour can finally split.

[mattiloy]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

We really need PR and then labour can finally split.

True enough. Then the centrists would realise how pointless and unpopular they really are - as normally happens under PR.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

True enough. Then the centrists would realise how pointless and unpopular they really are - as normally happens under PR.

By centrist you mean social democrat and green parties like they have in Europe?

[steviewevie]

Anyway. I think we need a proper mainstream left wing socialist party, and then also social democrat/centrists/green parties...for balance....it's getting impossible for labour to represent such a broad coalition. So, labour should agree to PR, but also recognise that it might mean labour split into two or three smaller parties.

[maelzoid]

All this talk of PR - is there any chance of it happening? There was a pretty decisive referendum ten years ago, so unless there is an absolute clamour for a change to PR, or if the incumbent government will benefit massively from it, I can't see it happening any time soon.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

so...can't trade unions register as lobbyists?

I think labour see this lobby scandal thing as a great opportunity to attack the tories, so this trade union question is something that could catch them out and tory party can counter attack...I guess Reeves wants to nullify this.

They are trying to get govt policy changed to the benefit of a select group of people.

[topmarksbri]

9 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

True enough. Then the centrists would realise how pointless and unpopular they really are - as normally happens under PR.

f it means we get Ed Miliband - The Party then I'm here for it. Centrists should support it as well even if you're right (you're not) that it would mean them being pointless/unpopular and irrelevant because they wouldn't have to share a party with your Chris Williamsons and your Richard Burgeons and you would hopefully spend less time on internal politics.