When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

 

 

 

That's got to be what that story about registrations for vaccine exports is in response to - if we're hoarding AZ they'll hoard Pfizer. I have to admit I always assume we're in the wrong until proven otherwise when it comes to EU relations!

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, zahidf said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-idUSKBN29U1C3?taid=600eee8ee8fa030001a3db75&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

 

EU to block vaccine exports?

protectionism. Just what the world needs right now.

[zahidf]

 

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[Crazyfool01]

hes still going on this increased mortality and faster spreading stuff .... still saying 30-70 % I thought they had found it was the lower end of that 

[northernringo]

Hospitalisations seem to be coming down as expected in NI thankfully after a number of weeks of dropping positive test numbers.

[steviewevie]

Portugal has now got the highest death rate.

[steviewevie]

Maybe we're past the peak deaths already?

[hodgey123]

Hancock said that lockdown will be lifted by reference to the death rate, hospitalisation rate, new variant prevalence and progress of the vaccine roll-out. There was no mention of case rates. Perhaps the government deliberately left that out as the expectation may be with the vaccine that even if cases are high (or higher than we'd like), we'd be able to lift lockdown on the assumption that the most vulnerable have been protected so those infected are not going to require hospitalisation or die?

[efcfanwirral]

He's got virus and vaccine mixed up twice today...

[steviewevie]

This is where we need global warming to kick in...

 

[hodgey123]

Also my granddad (81) had his vaccine today and my partner's dad (79) has his booked for tomorrow! Relief on both counts

[Ozanne]

Just now, hodgey123 said:

Hancock said that lockdown will be lifted by reference to the death rate, hospitalisation rate, new variant prevalence and progress of the vaccine roll-out. There was no mention of case rates. Perhaps the government deliberately left that out as the expectation may be with the vaccine that even if cases are high (or higher than we'd like), we'd be able to lift lockdown on the assumption that the most vulnerable have been protected so those infected are not going to require hospitalisation or die?

Tbh it makes sense to go by more than just case rates. We can't loosen lockdown whilst hospitals are up against it, it wouldn't be morally right in my opinion. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, hodgey123 said:

Hancock said that lockdown will be lifted by reference to the death rate, hospitalisation rate, new variant prevalence and progress of the vaccine roll-out. There was no mention of case rates. Perhaps the government deliberately left that out as the expectation may be with the vaccine that even if cases are high (or higher than we'd like), we'd be able to lift lockdown on the assumption that the most vulnerable have been protected so those infected are not going to require hospitalisation or die?

as the lockdown lifts and we resume some normality the infections will naturally rise I would guess ... although hopefully mitigated by the fact we might be in Summer and socialising outside more 

[hodgey123]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Tbh it makes sense to go by more than just case rates. We can't loosen lockdown whilst hospitals are up against it, it wouldn't be morally right in my opinion. 

Yeah definitely. It is just going back to a discussion I think was had on here a couple of weeks ago regarding the long-term approach if the vaccines are not sterilising and do not impact transmission rates (which for what it's worth appears not to be the case), i.e. can we just accept young/non-vulnerable people getting infected in the knowledge that they are very unlikely to die?

[Chapple12345]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

This is where we need global warming to kick in...

 

I could see them allowing group meetups outside March/April time because of there being far less transmission out there, this would be a huge help to so many people so hopefully we don't have to wait much longer as spring is just round the corner 

[Ozanne]

Matt Hancock was just rambling awkwardly at the end of that answer. He can be humorous at times.

[Paul ™]

Just now, hodgey123 said:

Also my granddad (81) had his vaccine today and my partner's dad (79) has his booked for tomorrow! Relief on both counts

Both my parents in their 80's got their first jab today, no issues thankfully 🙂

[km9]

13 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

He's got virus and vaccine mixed up twice today...

People do that all the time though, he's hardly alone.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

13 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Hancock said that lockdown will be lifted by reference to the death rate, hospitalisation rate, new variant prevalence and progress of the vaccine roll-out. There was no mention of case rates. Perhaps the government deliberately left that out as the expectation may be with the vaccine that even if cases are high (or higher than we'd like), we'd be able to lift lockdown on the assumption that the most vulnerable have been protected so those infected are not going to require hospitalisation or die?

Case rates won't really matter in future as if everyone is protected by the vaccine but still catching it we might not even know.

[steviewevie]

Just now, km9 said:

People do that all the time though, he's hardly alone.

Give her the virus. No! I mean vaccine! Oh, too late.

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

as the lockdown lifts and we resume some normality the infections will naturally rise I would guess ... although hopefully mitigated by the fact we might be in Summer and socialising outside more 

yeah, and that will be the interesting bit, if cases rise but hospitalisations/deaths don't rise...and then what happens with infection rate as more and more people get vaccinated...it's like we're living in a big petri dish.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Not sure if this has been covered or not fast moving today and I've had a lot of work on. 

Turns out teachers weren't at higher risk than anyone else. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55795608

 

 

[steviewevie]