When will this shit end?

[JBarbour]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

nah - lets be blunt - you can either do the maths and just take the vaccine or your bellend anti vaccine type and need branding as such.  There is no middle ground.

Proven my point. Thanks. On attack mode when I mention a discussion on this vaccine. 😄 

Maths? here you go - https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation 

Can you blame people for being reluctant that below 40 that have say 0.0006% chance of catching covid and dying from it and there is a higher chance of side-effects or they all just bellends? 

[JBarbour]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

You have proven you are a bellend as your maths aren't correct.

 

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Let me help you with your bullshit thinking...

Risk of Covid...  0.0006%

Risk of death from blood clot from vaccine currently stands.... 0%

There is no proven link...

What am I wrong about? I'm not taking about bloodclots I'm discussing long term effects that no one knows of yet. Lets take the swine flu vaccine that was "safe".

"During the Swine Flu epidemic of 2009/10 the vaccine Pandemrix was given to six million people in the UK, to high-risk groups, including children, with asthma, diabetes and heart disease. The vaccine had been approved by the European Medicines Agency for use across the EU, despite minimal clinical trials. The manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline, was given an indemnity by the UK government. Some 850,000 vaccinations were given to children aged between 6 months and 16 years. After the pandemic, in 2010/11, a further 170,000 adults and children received the jab when seasonal flu vaccine supplies diminished.

Pandemrix caused narcolepsy
The UK Health Protection Agency (now Public Health England) undertook a major study of 4- to 18-year-olds and found that around one in every 55,000 jabs led to narcolepsy." 

https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy

Also I'm likely to take the vaccine by the way as I have parents that work for the NHS and a friend that helped get one vaccine approved and a second one on the way. I just like an open discussion about it and so should everyone. The facts should be laid out about past experiences with vaccines and long term effects. 

 

[km9]

32 minutes ago, JBarbour said:

Proven my point. Thanks. On attack mode when I mention a discussion on this vaccine. 😄 

Maths? here you go - https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation 

Can you blame people for being reluctant that below 40 that have say 0.0006% chance of catching covid and dying from it and there is a higher chance of side-effects or they all just bellends? 

Of course there is a higher chance of side effects than there is of under 40s catching covid and dying from it, that's a given. What you're not saying though is that those side effects are things like a headache, a fever or aching limbs for a day or so. I'll take those over covid any day.

[JBarbour]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

You was talking about the risk of catching covid vs the risks of side effects from the vaccine.  Your talking bollocks.

Now you are talking future possibilities no one knows about it.

Its just bollocks on top of bollocks.  its anti vaxx crap.

Issues with a previous vaccine has nothing to do with these vaccines.

The risk of an issue from the vaccine is currently way lower than the risks COVID presents.  And that is the best science we have today.

hahaha.  do you get stressed easy? You seem mad. 

How is trying to discuss something anti vax and where I have I said I'm not talking the vaccine? 

Shall we just cross our fingers and hope there are no long-term side effects, call everyone that wants a bit more information and reluctant they are anti-vax and bellends?  Or shall we use past experiences, science and research? What if people want the vaccine but want a bit more time to decide and allow other people wanting it to take it first?  

You've said it in the post no one knows of the future possibilities, so how can you blame young healthy people that have say less than 0.0006% chance of catching and dying from covid to put something in their body, because they are anti-vax and bellends if they don't? Young people have a hell of a lot of years to work and pull the country out this shit, if we use previous experience of 1 in 55,000 of them getting narcolepsy for example or other long term side effects is that just tough because they had to take it to save someone already knocking on deaths door? 

[km9]

2 minutes ago, JBarbour said:

hahaha.  do you get stressed easy? You seem mad. 

How is trying to discuss something anti vax and where I have I said I'm not talking the vaccine? 

Shall we just cross our fingers and hope there are no long-term side effects, call everyone that wants a bit more information and reluctant they are anti-vax and bellends?  Or shall we use past experiences, science and research? What if people want the vaccine but want a bit more time to decide and allow other people wanting it to take it first?  

You've said it in the post no one knows of the future possibilities, so how can you blame young healthy people that have say less than 0.0006% chance of catching and dying from covid to put something in their body, because they are anti-vax and bellends if they don't? Young people have a hell of a lot of years to work and pull the country out this shit, if we use previous experience of 1 in 55,000 of them getting narcolepsy for example or other long term side effects is that just tough because they had to take it to save someone already knocking on deaths door? 

You sit back and let someone else take the risk then 👍🏻

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, JBarbour said:

Proven my point. Thanks. On attack mode when I mention a discussion on this vaccine. 😄 

Maths? here you go - https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation 

Can you blame people for being reluctant that below 40 that have say 0.0006% chance of catching covid and dying from it and there is a higher chance of side-effects or they all just bellends? 

I agree with him and I'm scared of the vaccine. I'm just taking it 

Edit - to clarify, I'm scared of what my own immune system will do due to a history of autoimmune disease in the family. If something were to happen it's because I'm challenging it, not the vaccine itself's fault. 

Edited April 5, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Leyrulion]

26 minutes ago, JBarbour said:

How is trying to discuss something anti vax and where I have I said I'm not talking the vaccine? 

Because you're over inflating selective pieces of data to come to a conclusion which gives the vaccines a risk rating higher than that established by medical experts. 

 

Anyway to answer the question this shit will end about 60 people sooner after giving out that many vaccines on my first volunteer vaccinator shift with St John today

Edited April 5, 2021 by Leyrulion

[JBarbour]

14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Because it all about you... 

We all have a reasonability to play a part in public health...

And that is why divide this debate between the ones who will do the right thing ands the ones who won't and instead choose to spread fear and bollocks.

Its clear which side you are on.

You said it - spreading fear and bollocks! 😄

I will never encourage or discourage anyone to get the vaccine its a personal choice and I would never call someone out because they've chosen not to take the vaccine if they are fit and healthy. The information is out there for all arguments. With regular testing becoming available and people still isolating if have symptoms I don't see an issue. 

I feel there just needs to be more discussion on possible long term side effects for young healthy people, its the unknown and I don't see how people are bellends and anti-vax if wanting more discussion about it, more information or some time to decide. Everyone is being peer-pressured from the gov and people like yourself, its their own choice, its their body, its their heath. Much like people can chose to socialise or not with people that haven't been vaccinated. 

and your right we have a part to play in public health, with that comes the long term... The long term matters more than short term 

[gizmoman]

25 minutes ago, JBarbour said:

hahaha.  do you get stressed easy? You seem mad. 

How is trying to discuss something anti vax and where I have I said I'm not talking the vaccine? 

Shall we just cross our fingers and hope there are no long-term side effects, call everyone that wants a bit more information and reluctant they are anti-vax and bellends?  Or shall we use past experiences, science and research? What if people want the vaccine but want a bit more time to decide and allow other people wanting it to take it first?  

You've said it in the post no one knows of the future possibilities, so how can you blame young healthy people that have say less than 0.0006% chance of catching and dying from covid to put something in their body, because they are anti-vax and bellends if they don't? Young people have a hell of a lot of years to work and pull the country out this shit, if we use previous experience of 1 in 55,000 of them getting narcolepsy for example or other long term side effects is that just tough because they had to take it to save someone already knocking on deaths door? 

The majority on this thread are strict covid-cultists, they only want to hear how effective the vaccines are and how great lockdowns are in bringing down cases, as you've seen, any questioning of the vaccine, mention of any negative aspect such as side effects or any suggestion lockdowns may do more harm than good will be met with mockery and insults. (and of course the obligatory downvotes).

[Mr.Tease]

2 hours ago, Avalon_Fields said:

I'm looking forward to booking my holiday to a 'green' traffic light country, which based on infection rates much less than the UK will include:

Libya

Myanmar

Afghanistan

Ethiopia

N Korea....

 

 

Ethiopia's meant to good to visit (or it was before the pandemic), doesn't belong on that list! 

[Leyrulion]

3 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Because you're over inflating selective pieces of data to come to a conclusion which gives the vaccines a risk rating higher than that established by medical experts. 

 

I should add to this * and spreading that message online. Fine to have your opinion, not fine when it isn't based on a reasonable assessment of the risks and you are essentially trying to bring others into agreeing with you and not the overwhelming weight of the science.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

The majority on this thread are strict covid-cultists, they only want to hear how effective the vaccines are and how great lockdowns are in bringing down cases, as you've seen, any questioning of the vaccine, mention of any negative aspect such as side effects or any suggestion lockdowns may do more harm than good will be met with mockery and insults. (and of course the obligatory downvotes).

HAHA!

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, gizmoman said:

covid-cultists,

And with words like that you gain no help for the cause ... just like you were challenging the use of tin hats earlier ...just a thought ... 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Ethiopia's meant to good to visit (or it was before the pandemic), doesn't belong on that list! 

not too safe at the moment is it?

[HalfAnIdiot]

6 minutes ago, JBarbour said:

You said it - spreading fear and bollocks! 😄

I will never encourage or discourage anyone to get the vaccine its a personal choice and I would never call someone out because they've chosen not to take the vaccine if they are fit and healthy. The information is out there for all arguments. With regular testing becoming available and people still isolating if have symptoms I don't see an issue. 

I feel there just needs to be more discussion on possible long term side effects for young healthy people, its the unknown and I don't see how people are bellends and anti-vax if wanting more discussion about it, more information or some time to decide. Everyone is being peer-pressured from the gov and people like yourself, its their own choice, its their body, its their heath. Much like people can chose to socialise or not with people that haven't been vaccinated. 

and your right we have a part to play in public health, with that comes the long term... The long term matters more than short term 

But you're not putting off making a decision by asking for more time to discuss. You are making a very definite decision to delay taking up the vaccine and thereby deciding not to play a part in reducing the overall risk to society. 

Dress it up anyway you want but your putting the individual ahead of the group. I'm not prepared to do that myself. 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Ethiopia's meant to good to visit (or it was before the pandemic), doesn't belong on that list! 

Probably less gooddurimg a war. 

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, JBarbour said:

You said it - spreading fear and bollocks! 😄

I will never encourage or discourage anyone to get the vaccine its a personal choice and I would never call someone out because they've chosen not to take the vaccine if they are fit and healthy. The information is out there for all arguments. With regular testing becoming available and people still isolating if have symptoms I don't see an issue. 

I feel there just needs to be more discussion on possible long term side effects for young healthy people, its the unknown and I don't see how people are bellends and anti-vax if wanting more discussion about it, more information or some time to decide. Everyone is being peer-pressured from the gov and people like yourself, its their own choice, its their body, its their heath. Much like people can chose to socialise or not with people that haven't been vaccinated. 

and your right we have a part to play in public health, with that comes the long term... The long term matters more than short term 

at moment there is no evidence of long term side effects.

But there is evidence of long term side effects to having covid.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

And with words like that you gain no help for the cause ... just like you were challenging the use of tin hats earlier ...just a thought ... 

Kustcall him a s timfoil cultist 

[eFestivals]

Just now, steviewevie said:

at moment there is no evidence of long term side effects.

But there is evidence of long term side effects to having covid.

Increased risk of strokejust checkout bloodclots from long covid

[JBarbour]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

I agree with him and I'm scared of the vaccine. I'm just taking it 

Edit - to clarify, I'm scared of what my own immune system will do due to a history of autoimmune disease in the family. If something were to happen it's because I'm challenging it, not the vaccine itself's fault. 

I'm scared of the vaccine and the unknown long term. I'm not scared of dying covid. 

59 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

I should add to this * and spreading that message online. Fine to have your opinion, not fine when it isn't based on a reasonable assessment of the risks and you are essentially trying to bring others into agreeing with you and not the overwhelming weight of the science.

I've used links to articles and facts in my previous posts or did you miss that. My opinions are people have a choice? Should that not be an opinion? 

56 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

But you're not putting off making a decision by asking for more time to discuss. You are making a very definite decision to delay taking up the vaccine and thereby deciding not to play a part in reducing the overall risk to society. 

Dress it up anyway you want but your putting the individual ahead of the group. I'm not prepared to do that myself. 

Thats your choice. The vaccine is not mandatory, yet. Its just being peer-pressured. Are you saying people should just take it regardless or should people be allowed to research it best they can and then make a decision? Being young, healthy and possibly risk unknown long term side effects, or say take the vaccine at a later date when more time and research has been done?

Edited April 5, 2021 by JBarbour

[Mr.Tease]

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Probably less gooddurimg a war. 

Yikes, completely missed the news about that

[steviewevie]

Will Starmer back covid status certificates (vaccine passports to me and you)?

BET NOW!

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/05/keir-starmer-considers-whether-to-back-ministers-over-covid-certificates

[JoeyT]

Seeing big drops now even factoring in both Wales & NI covering 48 hour periods...

 

[JBarbour]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

at moment there is no evidence of long term side effects.

But there is evidence of long term side effects to having covid.

I'm well aware of covid and long term side effects with my parents working with it daily 😄

Long term side effects of the vaccine in young, healthy people is the unknown. 

All I did was try to open a discussion and its proven my point that it can't be done without being called anti-vax and a bellend... 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Will Starmer back covid status certificates (vaccine passports to me and you)?

BET NOW!

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/05/keir-starmer-considers-whether-to-back-ministers-over-covid-certificates

Bsd move if he doesn't bsckthem he'll be the guy stopping people having holidays