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19 minutes ago, Sawdusty Surfer said:

Petition site seems to have been overwhelmed!

 

 

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DNS attack by them damn Ruskies🤔

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4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

but corbyn *IS* shit.

He's spent the last few weeks berating May for not talking to other parties or listening to them.

Meanwhile, Tuesday just gone, he's just had his first meeting with other parties - a meeting requested by those parties in January 2018 - where he didn't listen to them.

 

I know you're not naive, and understand the context more than you're pretending to here. Up until now all factions have been pushing for/holding out for their positions. Lib Dems, SNP, etc just wanted a second referendum. May wanted her deal. Labour wanted their soft Brexit. ERG want hard Brexit.

There was no point in parties properly talking to each other until they were ready to shift or until some of those options were off the table. Key thing for Labour was waiting for the remain Tories to be open to rebelling, which is only really happening now. Now it's time to fathom out how far they'll rebel (second referendum, norway style deal, long delay etc)- remain Tories have always been the key, but the Corbyn obsession by a lot of remainers meant they just focused on saying "Corbyn is shit" for the past two years.

I get that you think that he's shit, and saying it all the time might be cathartic, but it doesn't really offer much analysis or strategy or solutions to anything (which is why there are no effective Corbyn challengers in the Labour party- they have nothing to offer other than "Corbyn's shit!"- see TIG, who's sole policies so far seem to be keeping tuition fees and compulsory national service for young people. Oh and saying "Corbyn's shit" all the time. They've been planning this for years and that's all they have!).

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Yesterday I thought MPs would cave in and vote for May's deal next week, but after her disastrous press conference last night, I don't think there's a hope in hell they'll vote for her deal.

Only question now is what terms the EU will put on granting a lengthy extension- second referendum, Genberal election or norway style deal.

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30 minutes ago, Sawdusty Surfer said:

Petition site seems to have been overwhelmed!

 

 

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Theresa has pulled the plug.

(Probably just to use the socket for her hairdryer)

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15 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

for a start, not all of the things I listed above, which is a list of failure of leadership.

I could make a much much MUCH longer list.

Hey, perhaps if he'd not gone on holiday during the EUref we wouldn't be brexiting?

But Corbyn's happy we're brexiting. It's probably why he went on holiday, and didn't try to convert anyone when he was 'campaigning'..

Yes, Corbyn is a god who would have stopped people voting for brexit if he hadn't gone on holiday for a few days. Do you honestly believe that? I suspect not! But that's what I mean about just saying "Corbyn's shit" all the time or that he's to blame for everything, completely stops any proper analysis of any issue. Do you really believe people voted for brexit because Corbyn went on holiday? No, of course you don't so why pretend that you do?

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33 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Doesn't sound like may has won over the labour mps she needs

 

This was honestly the most stupid thing she could have done! I don't get the strategy- she has to bring her vote next week, even if she was banking on a raising up a groundswell of public opinion to pressure MPs, there's no way in hell that could happen in a span of a few days. madness. She was actually in a good position if she'd just said nothing, now she's blown it spectacularly.

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1 minute ago, nysmaw said:

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I wonder if this is due to the amount of people who are trying to sign it.

It appears to be ... :) 

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7 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Yesterday I thought MPs would cave in and vote for May's deal next week, but after her disastrous press conference last night, I don't think there's a hope in hell they'll vote for her deal.

Only question now is what terms the EU will put on granting a lengthy extension- second referendum, Genberal election or norway style deal.

I think (or fear) they will. If Junker wants to push parliament acceptance of May's deal before an extension is given, doesn't that remove the hope of an election or a vote to overturn Article 50?

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7 minutes ago, carlosj said:

I think (or fear) they will. If Junker wants to push parliament acceptance of May's deal before an extension is given, doesn't that remove the hope of an election or a vote to overturn Article 50?

They were trying to help her out (by making it a 'her deal or no deal' threat)- they didn't actually rule out a long extension if she fails, but it will be conditional on us doing something to show we have some sort of way forward.

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23 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I get that you think that he's shit, and saying it all the time might be cathartic, but it doesn't really offer much analysis or strategy or solutions to anything

He *IS* shit.

And it's Corbyn who offers no analysis strategy or solutions.

But he does want to own brexit, and that only ensure he'll never be PM, which means a Labour govt is further away.

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17 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Yes, Corbyn is a god who would have stopped people voting for brexit if he hadn't gone on holiday for a few days. Do you honestly believe that?

Corbynistas love to talk about hpow amazing he was in the 2017 election.

Anyone see any of the same 'amazing' in 2016? Nope.

He didn't try. Does campaigning make a difference or not? Who knows what the result would have been if he'd tried.

Nearly half of Labour voters thought labour were in favour of brexit - because Jez hid away, just as he's still hiding away

He bottled a TV appearance he'd arranged for last night, just as the latest example.

 

17 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

"Corbyn's shit" all the time or that he's to blame for everything, completely stops any proper analysis of any issue.

It's analysis of Corbyn's (lack of) leadership skills.

And it means issues can't be tackled because he can't lead to tackle them.

 

17 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Do you really believe people voted for brexit because Corbyn went on holiday? No, of course you don't so why pretend that you do?

Do you really believe people voted Labour in 2017 because he's such a wonderful campaigner? :rolleyes: 

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3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Do you really believe people voted Labour in 2017 because he's such a wonderful campaigner? :rolleyes: 

It helped.  For all his (many) faults, he was great during that campaign.  People weren't singing "O Jeremy Corbyn" all through the last Glasto just because they approved of the centre-left policies in the last manifesto.  

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8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

It helped

then it would have helped if he'd have made the same effort in 2016 instead of going on holiday, wouldn't it? :) 

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8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

the centre-left policies in the last manifesto. 

just about every policy was in the 2015 manifesto.

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3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

then it would have helped if he'd have made the same effort in 2016 instead of going on holiday, wouldn't it? :) 

Absolutely.  The Brexity fucker.  7 and a fucking half out of 10? Pah.

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

just about every policy was in the 2015 manifesto.

Exactly - he was good at campaigning.

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I think Corbyn won over a load of people with that election. Now, 2 years later, I think its fair to say he's less popular than when that campaign started. Frankly I'm glad Labour lost that election, I can't see Jezza doing any better than May did with the negotiations and a bad brexit would be on Labour's hands making them unelectable for another billion years.

 

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6 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Absolutely.  The Brexity fucker.  7 and a fucking half out of 10? Pah.

exactly. A shit leader.

 

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Exactly - he was good at campaigning.

nope, it's just that a bunch of 2010 libdem voters voted tory in 2015 before becoming 'converted' in 2017 for no other reason than myth.

Funnily enough they're a bunch of unicorn chasers too. Bet there's a huge chunk of those who voted brexit. ;) 

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3 minutes ago, priest17 said:

I think Corbyn won over a load of people with that election. Now, 2 years later, I think its fair to say he's less popular than when that campaign started. Frankly I'm glad Labour lost that election, I can't see Jezza doing any better than May did with the negotiations and a bad brexit would be on Labour's hands making them unelectable for another billion years.

I think Corbyn won people over too, tho the biggest shift happened when May threatened to go for inheritances (so those who changed parties at that point are not exactly socialists, are they?) .

And I agree that Labour owning brexit would be a dreadful thing, so I keep on wondering why Jez is so keen to own it.

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39 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Corbynistas love to talk about hpow amazing he was in the 2017 election.

Anyone see any of the same 'amazing' in 2016? Nope.

He didn't try. Does campaigning make a difference or not? Who knows what the result would have been if he'd tried.

Nearly half of Labour voters thought labour were in favour of brexit - because Jez hid away, just as he's still hiding away

He bottled a TV appearance he'd arranged for last night, just as the latest example.

 

It's analysis of Corbyn's (lack of) leadership skills.

And it means issues can't be tackled because he can't lead to tackle them.

 

Do you really believe people voted Labour in 2017 because he's such a wonderful campaigner? :rolleyes: 

Corbyn was a very good campaigner in 2017, he got a serious upgrade prior to the election (had some training started dressing smarter, better team, everyone saw the change) compared with his first year or two on the job (when the referendum happened) 

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14 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Corbyn was a very good campaigner in 2017, he got a serious upgrade prior to the election (had some training started dressing smarter, better team, everyone saw the change) compared with his first year or two on the job (when the referendum happened) 

So I guess I only really need to ask where has his campaigning been on whatever version of brexit he actually wants...?

Either he can lead from the front and change minds - or at the very least, try to - or there's a bit more to it than "he's now wonderful after some training" because he's been woeful on brexit.

(I'm not trying to claim he'd have changed the world if he'd tried, i'm merely saying he won't change the world if he doesn't try).

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15 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

So I guess I only really need to ask where has his campaigning been on whatever version of brexit he actually wants...?

Either he can lead from the front and change minds - or at the very least, try to - or there's a bit more to it than "he's now wonderful after some training" because he's been woeful on brexit.

(I'm not trying to claim he'd have changed the world if he'd tried, i'm merely saying he won't change the world if he doesn't try).

Agree with this tbh. Corbyn's stance on Brexit has been absolutely p*ss poor.

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