Foals

[dentalplan]

6 minutes ago, Havors said:

chomping at the bit

You can’t come into a Foals thread and get this wrong.

[incident]

5 minutes ago, Superscally said:

You can't call that a wave of disinterest. It was a Kylie crowd. Also, there was a good bit of excitement where we were.

I can. It was a Kylie crowd, yes - but given that easily well over half the people on site were at the Pyramid that afternoon, it was by any standard a Glastonbury crowd.

[rawrsomesauce]

I think if they were ever gonna headline the Pyramid, they'd have been given the boot up after What Went Down but even then they were only "co-headliners" at Reading. Don't get me wrong, I like Foals and think the new album is great but can't see them ever headlining the Pyramid. For me, they fall in the same group as the likes of Biffy Clyro where they're headliners at almost any other festival in the UK but they'll never make the jump up to that final spot. 

[kingcrawler]

32 minutes ago, The Martini Police said:

Have you considered that they might wanna do these festivals after part 2 of the album comes out? They'll have 2 albums to tour, it's probably gonna be a lengthy tour including a big summer where they'll cover off a lot of festivals that they haven't played this year.

Yeah even looking at their European festivals, they missed a lot of the big ones this summer like Rock Werchter, Primavera/Mad Cool, NOS Alive, Roskilde etc. Definitely seems like they're saving the big ones for next summer.

[Matt42]

I think this is truly a circular debate. You either fall on one side or the other.

I also think their recent output is being grossly over estimated. Also @dentalplan you missed my point about Reading. They are not considered big enough to outright headline Reading Festival. So why are they considered big enough to outright headline Glastonbury?

Can someone say with confidence that if Foals headlined one day at Reading, the day tickets would sell out?

[Superscally]

15 minutes ago, incident said:

I can. It was a Kylie crowd, yes - but given that easily well over half the people on site were at the Pyramid that afternoon, it was by any standard a Glastonbury crowd.

Who probably weren't paying attention, pissed, were talking away, didn't expect it etc. There were a lot of people excited near us. People weren't really paying much attention to Kylie either. The legends slot is often a box ticker with spikes of frenzy. If Robert Smith, or Win Butler, or Caleb Followill or Jack White, or Robert Plant had come on to name a few, you'd have had the same reaction. Of no relevance to anything ever.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Superscally

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Can someone say with confidence that if Foals headlined one day at Reading, the day tickets would sell out?

You could say the same about Stormzy this year though. Glastonbury sells out before the lineup is announced. It's not as big a factor as it is for R&L.

[dentalplan]

7 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Also @dentalplan you missed my point about Reading. They are not considered big enough to outright headline Reading Festival. So why are they considered big enough to outright headline Glastonbury?

Can someone say with confidence that if Foals headlined one day at Reading, the day tickets would sell out?

They did headline Reading and it did sell out. Bands coheadline the two sites but Foals headlined Reading and yes, it sold out. I think not headlining Leeds can be seen as a trade-off to be able to play a non-headline slot at Glastonbury the same year.

To the majority of people, they played last at Reading and got the big headline show and it went down very well. Again, it’s only forum people that are hung up on them not headlining Leeds the following day.

[Matt42]

Just now, SomeoneListeningIn said:

You could say the same about Stormzy this year though. Glastonbury sells out before the lineup is announced. It's not as big a factor as it is for R&L.

Stormzy headlined wireless and his day sold out.

Also I think that the comment from Emily about smaller headliners (or whatever it is) is being misunderstood.

Stormzy, The Killers, The Cure whilst not being the strongest trio Glastonbury has had - each of the three have sold big gigs and have a clear and ascertainable audience that keeps them in demand. My concerns about Stormzy (before anyone brings em up) was whether he had enough material to headline and whether the booking was premature - Also whether his relevancy with pop culture had dwindled. I retracted my statement after Vossi was released and I thought the set was great.

With Foals its a whole different issue - they aren’t as big of a ticket seller as the three 2019 headliners for a start. They haven’t had the commercial success or impact on music as the 2019 headliners. 

Apples and Oranges

[Matt42]

5 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

They did headline Reading and it did sell out. Bands coheadline the two sites but Foals headlined Reading and yes, it sold out. I think not headlining Leeds can be seen as a trade-off to be able to play a non-headline slot at Glastonbury the same year.

To the majority of people, they played last at Reading and got the big headline show and it went down very well. Again, it’s only forum people that are hung up on them not headlining Leeds the following day.

“Outright”

We just gonna forget that Disclosure, who in 2016 were huge enough to have their own festival headlined too?

Foals co-headlined for a reason. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by Matt42

[Quark]

18 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I think this is truly a circular debate. You either fall on one side or the other.

A wise man* once said a circle only has one side

*OK so it was Fran Healy

[Guest]

@Matt42 didn't you argue that Tame Impala should have headlined Glasto this year?

[incident]

16 minutes ago, Superscally said:

Who probably weren't paying attention, pissed, were talking away, didn't expect it etc. There were a lot of people excited near us. People weren't really paying much attention to Kylie either. The legends slot is often a box ticker with spikes of frenzy. If Robert Smith, or Win Butler, or Caleb Followill or Jack White, or Robert Plant had come on to name a few, you'd have had the same reaction. Of no relevance to anything ever.

I'm not convinced you believe that, but I'll withdraw as we're dragging this thread off topic.

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

“Outright”

We just gonna forget that Disclosure, who in 2016 were huge enough to have their own festival headlined too?

Foals co-headlined for a reason. 

And then in a week and a half, they're outright headlining one of the 10 biggest camping festivals in the country, alongside Flo who has already topped the Pyramid and will do so again the next time she plays - and then on the other night they've got Wu-Tang Clan who clearly are nowhere near that level. So it's a really dodgy game to use what happens at other festivals as anything more than a rough guide.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

“Outright”

We just gonna forget that Disclosure, who in 2016 were huge enough to have their own festival headlined too?

Foals co-headlined for a reason. 

...but they still headlined? The capacity of Reading is near enough double that of Wireless (given the Stormzy reference you made earlier). Add on Leeds, they're clearly capable of shifting tickets at major festivals. Plus, like I said before, Glastonbury don't need to worry about shifting tickets.

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Plus, like I said before, Glastonbury don't need to worry about shifting tickets.

If Glastonbury doesn’t need to worry about shifting tickets why hasn’t nick cave headlined? 

 

13 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

@Matt42 didn't you argue that Tame Impala should have headlined Glasto this year?

Don’t try and give my throwaway comments stock to win a debate. You know that I didn’t mean it as a serious comment.

[Guest]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Don’t try and give my throwaway comments stock to win a debate. You know that I didn’t mean it as a serious comment.

I genuinely thought it was serious, but fair enough, apologies.

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

If Glastonbury doesn’t need to worry about shifting tickets why hasn’t nick cave headlined? 

Well obviously there's a limit. Foals have proven themselves to be major festival headliners (more so than Stormzy had before this year), and it's probable that they're gonna be headlining at least one of TRNSMT/IOW/Glasto/R&L next year.

FWIW, I don't think they're a dead cert or anything. Think it's likely they'll be given the sub again and be the first bump up if anyone drops out a la Flo in 2015. It's also possible they won't be booked at all. However, I don't get why you're suggesting there's not a cat in hell's chance that they could headline Glastonbury next year.

[Havors]

1 hour ago, dentalplan said:

You can’t come into a Foals thread and get this wrong.

I think you will find both Champing or Chomping are dictionary accepted idioms these days.

21st century innit blood! 

 

[Havors]

32 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

If Glastonbury doesn’t need to worry about shifting tickets why hasn’t nick cave headlined? 

 

 

You are not taking into account the numerous reasons bands do and don't get booked at certain times... Cost, Promoters, Availability, Whether they want to, Current touring or not, Public interest at any given moment, choices of other acts at given time.... 

You have stated that the Foals didn't headline X Y Z festival a few years ago... that was a few years ago... this is now... Things have changed.

Nick Cave hasn't headline because nobody fucking wants him to.  

[priest17]

Didn't pulp only co-headline r+l? 

Oh yeah they're friends of the festival for things like doing a massive secret set at the park.

[priest17]

52 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

If Glastonbury doesn’t need to worry about shifting tickets why hasn’t nick cave headlined? 

Because they're COWARDS

[Madyaker]

They’re probably at that level now. If stormzy can smash it they definitely can. I think it needs to be soon though or they’ll fade and it’ll never happen.

[rawrsomesauce]

14 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Didn't pulp only co-headline r+l? 

They did alongside The Strokes, my first festival that but Reading 8 years ago is a completely different beast to what it is now 

[Superscally]

47 minutes ago, Havors said:

You are not taking into account the numerous reasons bands do and don't get booked at certain times... Cost, Promoters, Availability, Whether they want to, Current touring or not, Public interest at any given moment, choices of other acts at given time.... 

You have stated that the Foals didn't headline X Y Z festival a few years ago... that was a few years ago... this is now... Things have changed.

Nick Cave hasn't headline because nobody fucking wants him to.  

Apart from everyone who made sure his APE day sold out before everyone elses and sold out all his tours? 

[Superscally]

1 hour ago, incident said:

I'm not convinced you believe that, but I'll withdraw as we're dragging this thread off topic.

 

I do believe it and I didn't drag it, you did! ?

[Matt42]

44 minutes ago, rawrsomesauce said:

They did alongside The Strokes, my first festival that but Reading 8 years ago is a completely different beast to what it is now 

My first festival too. I look back and the lineup was god awful. What did I watch all weekend?