Corbin Really !!

[waterfalls212434]

Come on folks as you know I'll argue with the best of them on this topic but this is such an obvious troll it's not even worth feeding it.....a good troll can be amusing....but a good troll isn't so obvious as if the '7 posts' didn't give it away...clearly just registered to get attention.

[babyblade41]

14 minutes ago, Bluebella said:

I think its perfecty ok for the festival to have political leanings however I must admit that I see a lot of hypocrisy too.

For example, take a look around you on Monday at all the rampant consumerism and waste. How does this fit into "for the people policies"? Britain the worlds 5th largest consumer market once again taking a large share of resources and leaving it dumped on a field. How much of that gear was made in third world sweat shops I wonder? This is despite the multiple charities and messages relentlessly trying to educate people to be more considerate.

It seems that when it suits them, a fair amount of Glastonbury goers may have a lot more in common with the Tories they vilify than they realise.

I totally agree with your comment and as I have only seen the after pictures on the news the dreadful mess left behind is wrong on so many levels from an environment point of view too . If some people spent as much time taking their things home with them as much as  they do taking them in, perhaps it wouldn't be left in such a mess... 

[babyblade41]

Just now, waterfalls212434 said:

Come on folks as you know I'll argue with the best of them on this topic but this is such an obvious troll it's not even worth feeding it.....a good troll can be amusing....but a good troll isn't so obvious as if the '7 posts' didn't give it away...clearly just registered to get attention.

yes it would be better if he could spell for starters re : headline 

[majormajormajor]

2 hours ago, frostypaw said:

 

Dunno where some folk think they are. How silly

Where is that? Spain or something?

[Hotchilidog]

1 hour ago, frostypaw said:

It utterly stuns me though that right wingers can manage to do the festival and keep the blinkers on.

The reason the festival is what is it, and has the atmosphere and acts it does, is down to that philosophy - if it was being run for maximum profit for minimum outlay, with full on profiteering from every act and business involved, it would be VASTLY more expensive with tickets easily twice the price or more. The line ups wouldn't be released but an extra £20 for the program when you got in. There'd be absolutely no food or drink allowed in with punters, it would all have to be bought from the traders and they'd all be miserable only able to make a pittance as the pitch fees would be as high as the market would bear.

 

All of this slides right past them - it's blindness or wilful ignorance, happy to reap the benefits of other's kindness and generosity without appreciating it or what it achieved at all.

Out of up votes sadly, otherwise you would have had another one. Good post

[babyblade41]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I think they visited another thread one Friday and weekend and were called scott then.

Some people really must lead uninteresting lives....anyways off to clean the budgie out 

[p.pete]

2 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

Some people really must lead uninteresting lives....anyways off to clean the budgie out 

Outstanding.

[amfy]

2 hours ago, clarkete said:

Nicely put.

Way back in 1986 the Housemartins played the Pyramid at the height of their fame.  During their set someone climbed the speaker stack to unfurl a banner about the News of the World (as they had a dispute at the time).

The band and the crowd were encouraging the protestor on.

I remember this - I think The Housemartins were the only band I managed to actually see all the way through that year. I was waiting for Aswad and Black Uhuru, but fell asleep in the sun before they came on!

It was my first year - we went on the spur of the moment with a girl we didn't know but met in the pub on Friday lunchtime. When they put her wristband on she said 'Oh My God - it's a CND festival! Daddy will go mad when he finds out I borrowed the camper an for a CND festival!'....

......so whilst Glastonbury politics isn't new, neither is people arriving with no clue it happens! 

Personally I have always liked the political aspect and loved Glastonbury so much more when it really felt like a rally for change. It is still there but you usually have to look for it more - it is a bit sad that the main stretch gets more like a big V festival with every year that passes, but old Glastonbury is still there off the beaten track.

[Spindles]

58 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

That Union flag was probably left by a Brexiteer.

Leaving things is what they are best at.

[babyblade41]

5 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Leaving things is what they are best at.

I'm one of those pesky pro brexiteers but I found your post really funny........it doesn't take much I know 

[DeanoL]

3 hours ago, p.pete said:

That seems the big shame of the approach to politics at Glastonbury - preaching to the converted.  I don't expect Corbyn to take any questions at all - especially when he's on the Pyramid, it just wouldn't work.  If he does it'd be at Leftfield, maybe some awkward ones will get through the net and probably booed.  

I've no problem with Corbyn or Lucas being at the festival - but more generally there's a seeming complete lack of engagement with anything other than the converted.  I think the spectrum of people attending is broader than just 'left', and if could be a really good place to engage people who don't normally listen if an alternative approach could be found.  As is I assume people steer clear and leave with their minds more shut than before?  

Let me know after you've been if you feel your mind has been shut more tightly as opposed to being opened  

The broad spectrum of people is relatively new though. The festival has its roots in activism and the left, and so has always approached it more as a celebration of those ideas rather than an opportunity to convert people.

Having said that, that sort of thinking is part of the reason Corbyn is on the Pyramid and not just the Leftfield. He absolutely will be speaking to people who have very different views to him. Even though they're waiting to see RTJ.

2 hours ago, p.pete said:

It's easily avoidable - politics that is.  I'll be more interested in what you think generally, as opposed to 'what jeremy said' who I'd fully expect you to avoid.  There's politics on in a few different places - sometimes earlier on in Cabaret tent, speakers forum, and obviously leftfield.  But vast vast areas about the site where it never comes up, aside from isolated ramblings.  For what there is at the festival, I think there's a general assumption that everyone's on the same wavelength - which is what I was getting at in terms of they could maybe do more to approach people not on the same wavelength - if they so wished (but they seem happy as they are).

There's politics everywhere in the festival though. The lack of sponsorship from big name companies everywhere? That's a political statement. Shangri-La is strongly political. The use of local traders and smaller ones rather than big name traders: a political statement. That you can bring you own drink in, and that although there's a primary bar provider other bars still operate: a political statement. So much of it stems from deeply held beliefs about what a good society is. 

Then of course there are the acts. So many acts are political in their music and lyrics. Not always overtly but nevertheless statements are made. There's politics in so much of what we do and to think you can "get away from it" seems crazy to me.

 

[SwedgeAntilles]

Looking forward to seeing them big man on the Pyramid 

[p.pete]

5 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

There's politics everywhere in the festival though. The lack of sponsorship from big name companies everywhere? That's a political statement. Shangri-La is strongly political. The use of local traders and smaller ones rather than big name traders: a political statement. That you can bring you own drink in, and that although there's a primary bar provider other bars still operate: a political statement. So much of it stems from deeply held beliefs about what a good society is. 

Then of course there are the acts. So many acts are political in their music and lyrics. Not always overtly but nevertheless statements are made. There's politics in so much of what we do and to think you can "get away from it" seems crazy to me.

 

Hmm, I've not really thought of it from that perspective, thanks.  I looked at it from the perspective of what's specifically labelled only.  I like that there's so much right about how glastonbury organises itself as a festival, but without ever thinking of / about a political slant to all the things that I appreciate.

I'm a good example that it's easy to miss the point though!

[dazednconfused]

15 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

The broad spectrum of people is relatively new though. The festival has its roots in activism and the left, and so has always approached it more as a celebration of those ideas rather than an opportunity to convert people.

Having said that, that sort of thinking is part of the reason Corbyn is on the Pyramid and not just the Leftfield. He absolutely will be speaking to people who have very different views to him. Even though they're waiting to see RTJ.

There's politics everywhere in the festival though. The lack of sponsorship from big name companies everywhere? That's a political statement. Shangri-La is strongly political. The use of local traders and smaller ones rather than big name traders: a political statement. That you can bring you own drink in, and that although there's a primary bar provider other bars still operate: a political statement. So much of it stems from deeply held beliefs about what a good society is. 

Then of course there are the acts. So many acts are political in their music and lyrics. Not always overtly but nevertheless statements are made. There's politics in so much of what we do and to think you can "get away from it" seems crazy to me.

 

Thank you for your words. 

Sums my love for Glasto up perfectly. (well and there is the cider and the narnian escape from the world for a few days)

yours,

a liberal-socialist, cosmopolitan immigrant

 

[Gnomicide]

This thread isn't about a Corbyn Rally at all, is it?

[eFestivals]

20 minutes ago, p.pete said:

I'm a good example that it's easy to miss the point though!

Actually, I think that's a good thing.

There's lots of people here saying "but how can you not know it's a political festival?", but if everyone did, how many do you think might stop going? It would be some, at least.

Because it's not normally overtly political - Jez on the Pyramid is a bit more in yer face than the norm - it allows people to go to a place where they might not otherwise go, to see and experience things done in a way that they might not otherwise experience, and where they might then open their eyes to some things they'd previously been missing.

I reckon it's a much better thing than the preaching to the converted it would become if were always overtly political.

[DeanoL]

There's a difference between "political" and "party political" and I'd imagine that's where many of the objections come from. There's rarely actual politicians on outside of Leftfield, especially not for a major party. But then there are rarely politicians available that reflect the views and values of the festival so well.

Corbyn could have turned up between bands at any point in the past two decades to talk about nuclear disarmament and it would have been seen as fairly normal. Now he happens to be leader of the Labour party with a lot of support behind him, and it's only that which makes it seem a bit weird.

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Corbyn could have turned up between bands at any point in the past two decades to talk about nuclear disarmament and it would have been seen as fairly normal. Now he happens to be leader of the Labour party with a lot of support behind him, and it's only that which makes it seem a bit weird.

perhaps the weirdest part of all is that he hasn't turned up before, then.

 

[Spindles]

I'm sure he probably has, somewhere in the green fields at some point, to be honest, it just wouldn't have got the attention before.  Sadly not something you can easily search online, but if he has I'm sure he'll mention it when speaking.

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, amfy said:

I remember this - I think The Housemartins were the only band I managed to actually see all the way through that year. I was waiting for Aswad and Black Uhuru, but fell asleep in the sun before they came on!

Shame, they were both really good 

[muffled oars]

21 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Shame, they were both really good 

Way back I was at a Sunday gig at the Roundhouse, some heavy band were headlining. They always had three bands on, a typical support then an up and coming, then the headliner. Usually people drank barley wine and missed the middle set. This time, the unknown up and coming was Aswad. There had been race riots going on and all sorts, and when they started playing they got booed and showered with all sorts of stuff and had to leave the stage. I allways have been so impressed that they soldiered on and made it.

 

[gfest2009]

1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

The broad spectrum of people is relatively new though. The festival has its roots in activism and the left, and so has always approached it more as a celebration of those ideas rather than an opportunity to convert people.

Having said that, that sort of thinking is part of the reason Corbyn is on the Pyramid and not just the Leftfield. He absolutely will be speaking to people who have very different views to him. Even though they're waiting to see RTJ.

There's politics everywhere in the festival though. The lack of sponsorship from big name companies everywhere? That's a political statement. Shangri-La is strongly political. The use of local traders and smaller ones rather than big name traders: a political statement. That you can bring you own drink in, and that although there's a primary bar provider other bars still operate: a political statement. So much of it stems from deeply held beliefs about what a good society is. 

Then of course there are the acts. So many acts are political in their music and lyrics. Not always overtly but nevertheless statements are made. There's politics in so much of what we do and to think you can "get away from it" seems crazy to me.

 

Really wish I had an upvote for you

[rivalschools.price]

4 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Actually, I think that's a good thing.

There's lots of people here saying "but how can you not know it's a political festival?", but if everyone did, how many do you think might stop going? It would be some, at least.

Because it's not normally overtly political - Jez on the Pyramid is a bit more in yer face than the norm - it allows people to go to a place where they might not otherwise go, to see and experience things done in a way that they might not otherwise experience, and where they might then open their eyes to some things they'd previously been missing.

I reckon it's a much better thing than the preaching to the converted it would become if were always overtly political.

I personally find it pretty easy to avoid the politics at Glastonbury and I've never considered it a political festival.

Other than going to watch Anti-Flag on the Leftfield stage a few years ago (I would have watched them if it was called the Rightfield stage) I can't think of anything political that I've bothered with at Glastonbury.

Saying that I'm probably not the best one to judge as,because I left early last Friday morning to go to Download festival, I didn't know the result of the election until I got into the arena.I was so hyped about Download that I forgot  about the election altogether (obviously if it hadn't have been Download Friday I would have remembered).You can imagine how much stick I got from my mates when I admitted this, ha ha.They were partially as bad cos they weren't talking about the election when I met them, though I suppose that they were within their rights to presume I already knew the result.

So, with that in mind, I'm probably not the best one to say that Glastonbury isn't a political festival.Ha ha.

[rivalschools.price]

16 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

I totally agree with your comment and as I have only seen the after pictures on the news the dreadful mess left behind is wrong on so many levels from an environment point of view too . If some people spent as much time taking their things home with them as much as  they do taking them in, perhaps it wouldn't be left in such a mess... 

To be fair, I would estimate that the mess left at Glastonbury is only about 10% of what is left at Reading and about 20% of what is left at Download.

Still too much obviously but shows that Glasto punters do make more of an effort.

[babyblade41]

Just now, rivalschools.price said:

To be fair, I would estimate that the mess left at Glastonbury is only about 10% of what is left at Reading and about 20% of what is left at Download.

Still too much obviously but shows that Glasto punters do make more of an effort.

I'm not sure of the figures but none of it makes it any the less tidier... we were taught to bag it and bin it ...god knows why some people have a problem with this.  Living rurally it really does grate when I see people just dropping the remnants of their picnics to the peril of animals ...