Philosophy and all that jazz

[maelzoid]

And every time I find myself getting drawn into one of these spats, I remind myself of this:

[Spindles]

If you watch these and feel that Glastonbury has lost it there is probably no helping you, to be honest.

[shuttlep]

people don't like change, Yes it has changed yes it isn't the same. It could not carry on being the same. Like you now can't drive without your seat belt on. Times have changed and people in general have changed. 

 

if Glastonbury didn't change with the Wall and ticketing system, it would not be allowed to take place any more.  The fact that it is as popular as it is and always will be means that it has to evolve. we are not monkeys any more we are now Humans is that better or worse? 

 

evolution is  fact of life in the living or Festivals it would seem

[BrighterNow]

I went to Glastonbury in the late 80s and 90s, and yes, it was amazing - like being in a different world for a few days.  I'm going again this year and am sure it's going to be different, but equally incredible. 

[Crazyfool01]

56 minutes ago, Spindles said:

If you watch these and feel that Glastonbury has lost it there is probably no helping you, to be honest.

ha ha thats people I was camped with at 7.02 friends of friends

[stuartbert two hats]

4 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

I suspect that if you were to pick the average punter up on, say, the Saturday afternoon of the 2015 fesival and transport them back in time 35 or so years to a festival in the early 1980s it wouldn't be long before they'd be asking to come back to 2015 again.

Never mind 35 years.  If you sent me back in time to 1998, I'd be wondering why nothing was going at night other than a blanket stall playing rave tunes.  I'd also wonder why there was only one tent doing dance music during the day, why you couldn't get a decent coffee, why everything looked so drab and if they had any bloody drainage at all!

 

Edited March 22, 2016 by stuartbert two hats
Food was ok according to Neil.

[eFestivals]

24 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

why the food was so poor

whoa!

The food was as good back then as now. At least as good, probably better, actually, as there was a bigger veggie choice.

 

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

whoa!

The food was as good back then as now. At least as good, probably better, actually, as there was a bigger veggie choice.

 

Was it?  That'll be my fault for wandering near the main stages so much and having no money.  No arguments on the rest?  I've edited my post.

[CaledonianGonzo]

I dunno. My memory of festival food in the 1990s is endless plates of veggie noodles. You wouldn't have seen sushi or wood fired pizza ovens, thats for sure.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Was it?  That'll be my fault for wandering near the main stages so much and having no money.  No arguments on the rest?  I've edited my post.

The rest?

Compared to now you'd be right, but.....

They put extra drainage in for 1998 after 1997. And some years before that a trench was dug in west holts alongside the main drag. I remember it well, having fell down ity and fucked my ankle - cos it wasn't fenced, and you couldn't really see it in the dark.

You could defo get a decent coffee. I don't drink instant, and haven't since the 80s.

And while it would look drabber than now, it was by-a-long-shot the most colourful of festivals compared to all the others.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

You wouldn't have seen sushi or wood fired pizza ovens, thats for sure.

True, but you also wouldn't have found those on almost every high street as you would today, either.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Indeed. Culinary improvements at the fesival are just relecting improved dining options in the UK as a whole. 

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Indeed. Culinary improvements at the fesival are just relecting improved dining options in the UK as a whole. 

I wasn't evaluating the 98 festival against its peers, just describing how I think a time traveller from the 2015 would find it.

 

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

They put extra drainage in for 1998 after 1997. And some years before that a trench was dug in west holts alongside the main drag. I remember it well, having fell down ity and fucked my ankle - cos it wasn't fenced, and you couldn't really see it in the dark.

I remember hearing about the extra drainage after 97 and then witnessed the standing water going above my wellies in the Pyramid field watching Blur.  They've done so, so much more work to drain the site quickly since then. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, stuartbert two hats said:

I wasn't evaluating the 98 festival against its peers, just describing how I think a time traveller from the 2015 would find it.

Yup. They'd go looking for tartiflette, only to find that La Grand Bouffe wasn't even invented yet.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Yup. They'd go looking for tartiflette, only to find that La Grand Bouffe wasn't even invented yet.

Yup. The only 'famous' thing from back then I can think of would be Brothers, and then it would be stuff like Manic Organic (which probably started in the stone age :P).

 

[The Nal]

2 hours ago, Spindles said:

 

At 2.17. That Mr Softy I think up near the entrance to the Park. Is there a worse place to pitch a tent? Beside a van with the motor running and the slammy door toilets.

[Tranquility of Solitude]

4 hours ago, maelzoid said:

I went to 6 in the 90s. I can definitively say that 'The Real Glastonbury Festival' is still very much alive and kicking, and all reports of its death have been exaggerated.

To paraphrase Derren Brown, the 'someone on facebook' is free to take their opinion, write an email, print it out, fold it up, and pop it in their bottom. 

Yeats said it more eloquently. Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. Mind you he might have said shove it right up your @rse

[wwinstanley]

Ah the old adage of "its not what it used to be"

No, im sure its not, but it has developed over time and has become the festival that everyone knows and loves.

Much like we all change over time and the world changes around us.

Glastonbury at the start was appealing and suited to the people and culture of that time, Glastonbury now is appealing and suited to the people and culture of now.

You only have to look how quickly tickets sell and the sheer quantity of people trying for them year on year to realise that its more popular than ever!

[russycarps]

decent coffee and fancy food are much more important than atmosphere.

[shuttlep]

they need to bring back two litre bottles of brothers.

 

I know they made mess, the next day it was always carnage in Jazz world. But come on. I think I was one of the last people to get a bttle, I got two and wondered off maybe 2007 . ten minutes later realised I needed to get another so walked back and they refused to serve me saying that they can't sell them any more due to responsible drinking, Ruined my afternoon (slightly)

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

Yup. The only 'famous' thing from back then I can think of would be Brothers, and then it would be stuff like Manic Organic (which probably started in the stone age :P).

 

Leon, who has a veggie food stall in West Holts, seems to have been serving up grub at the fest since 1983:

http://www.leonlewis.co.uk/leon-festivals.html

[Hugh Jass]

6 minutes ago, russycarps said:

decent coffee and fancy food are much more important than atmosphere.

How are people supposed to create an atmosphere drinking shit coffee?

[The Nal]

If you're not craving good coffee the morning after you're doing it wrong. 

[russycarps]

It's hard to believe that anyone could have enjoyed Glastonbury in 1998 when you think there were no stalls selling halloumi.

[Yokel Again]

It has changed, but so has the world we live in - it is very difficult to tell what has changed for either better or worse due to the larger environment and what's changed because Glastonbury has changed.

If I've explained what I mean by that clearly?!?

The things that perhaps I crave about earlier years are probably things that annoy me about walking down a high st. too.

it has changed - but still the biggest and the best.