Coachella

[rwoo]

3 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

No. Main demo is 18-30 give or take. Im a senior citizen at the festival. You really think ticket costs stops college students from attending? Payment plans do wonders.

 

btw, the issue this year is not even the ticket cost as much as some might think as to why tickets didnt totally sell as fast. A shortage on affordable lodging did people in. You can camp and its not that expensive but it sold out a few weeks ago. And resale for a camping ticket has gone up as high as $1000. Hotels and airbnb's are always expensive so that pushed people to camp and then poof. 

 

 

Trust me, makes a difference. Keep in mind its pretty much the only major fest to do that in the u.s. People do not know how to handle alcohol here. Youre forgetting that you would potentially be drinking in 40 degree heat some years. Is that always a pleasant thing? At Lollapalooza and Outside Lands the underage drinking is rampant and theres drunk kids doing stupid things everywhere. Pretty bothersome.  And the thing is you arent totally separated from the music while in a beer garden by any means at coachella. Almost every stage has a drinking area with a view. And you cant be on social media if youre phone doesnt work. Reception more or less goes away by sunset. They add cell towers but it doesnt matter. Theres a few wifi spots but theyre minimal in making a diff. And the Cantina does have a festival feed on some tv's in there too. Image of everyone being just on their phones is still a misconception.  Dont tell me everyone doesnt want to take a picture at the ribbon tower or the glasto sign at sunset or by the pyramid stage and such. 

 

 

 

and Wooks are less than 1% of attendees. Just pointed out where to find them.

Fair enough, I bet the heat is brutal. I would love to go one year, I’m definitely not a hater. I guess I’ll always be biased to Glastonbury though 😂 

[Butterz]

20 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

At Lollapalooza and Outside Lands the underage drinking is rampant and theres drunk kids doing stupid things everywhere. Pretty bothersome.

Doing a quick drive-by here to say that Outside Lands isn't like that.  There is underage drinking everywhere but it is not a problem at OL - people are well-behaved.  Plus, OL has a craft beer, a wine tent, and legal weed vendors.  The crowd isn't just a bunch of kids with smuggled vodka.

[Suprefan]

14 hours ago, Butterz said:

Doing a quick drive-by here to say that Outside Lands isn't like that.  There is underage drinking everywhere but it is not a problem at OL - people are well-behaved.  Plus, OL has a craft beer, a wine tent, and legal weed vendors.  The crowd isn't just a bunch of kids with smuggled vodka.

You mean its not a pre school  year start met up weekend where everyone likes to talk loud over the not loud music cause the rich neighbors made em keep the volume low? Ive been 3 times so def have an idea of how its been since year 1 in 08 til 2018 last time I went. I do enjoy it overall but you can see that stuff happening and you just gotta avoid it. Sucks there is no more comedy tent though.

[Butterz]

10 hours ago, Suprefan said:

You mean its not a pre school  year start met up weekend where everyone likes to talk loud over the not loud music cause the rich neighbors made em keep the volume low? Ive been 3 times so def have an idea of how its been since year 1 in 08 til 2018 last time I went. I do enjoy it overall but you can see that stuff happening and you just gotta avoid it. Sucks there is no more comedy tent though.

Yes I mean it's not that.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

For anyone who likes watching festival vlogs, this one's quite interesting and fun. They're not your average influencer types who shriek about how EVERYTHING IS AMAAAAZZZIINNNNGGG all the time and go to Coachella with the same attitudes that a lot of us have displayed in this thread - mostly because they're from the UK and used to UK/European festivals. For those who can't arsed to watch, they basically say it's a lot of fun, very clean, everyone's friendly, albeit the crowds are a bit weak and a bit dead.

Their assesment of the Weeknd and the crowd is a highlight around 53:30 is quite good I think.

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by MEGATRONICMEATWAGON

[Suprefan]

8 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

For anyone who likes watching festival vlogs, this one's quite interesting and fun. They're not your average influencer types who shriek about how EVERYTHING IS AMAAAAZZZIINNNNGGG all the time and go to Coachella with the same attitudes that a lot of us have displayed in this thread - mostly because they're from the UK and used to UK/European festivals. For those who can't arsed to watch, they basically say it's a lot of fun, very clean, everyone's friendly, albeit the crowds are a bit weak and a bit dead.

Their assesment of the Weeknd and the crowd is a highlight around 53:30 is quite good I think.

 

In their opinion the crowds are weak and dead cause they only saw 3 things a day and stood in the back. Put em in the middle of something proper and then theyll change their minds. They never went inside the Sonora either which is comical. Dead crowd eh. 2 min mark and then wait for kendrick to pop up.

 

 

 

 

 

also theres plenty to do in camping and late night. 

 

https://www.coachella.com/activities

 

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Suprefan

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

In their opinion the crowds are weak and dead cause they only saw 3 things a day and stood in the back. Put em in the middle of something proper and then theyll change their minds. They never went inside the Sonora either which is comical. Dead crowd eh. 2 min mark and then wait for kendrick to pop up.

 

 

 

 

 

also theres plenty to do in camping and late night. 

 

https://www.coachella.com/activities

 

 

do you work as a cochella promotor just out of interest ? 

[stuie]

Silent discos and a Heineken tent. Reminds me of v fest 2005

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

2 hours ago, Suprefan said:

In their opinion the crowds are weak and dead cause they only saw 3 things a day and stood in the back. Put em in the middle of something proper and then theyll change their minds. They never went inside the Sonora either which is comical. Dead crowd eh. 2 min mark and then wait for kendrick to pop up.

 

 

 

 

 

also theres plenty to do in camping and late night. 

 

https://www.coachella.com/activities

 

 

Feel like you've taken their opinion quite personally. I'm sure there were crowds that were alive that they weren't apart of, but they did go to the main headliner and witness a dead crowd, so it's not like they're liars. I'm sure they saw more bands than just three per day as well.

But it's all anecdotal isn't it. A game of opinions. You think it's amazing, the TPD TV lads were quite pleased with it in general.

I don't think the activites link really sells Coachella like you think it does. Amex Experiences, Heineken Tent, Neutrogena Experiences. Sounds like a corporate get-together to hawk products to rich people. I guess there's a ferris wheel and a silent disco, equivalent to one quarter of the Park.

How big is it? Because with all the "activities" on that link it sounds about the size of the Park and the shopping area around William's Green in total.

Plus a lot of people stay off site in AirBnbs, making it more or less a day festival, not a proper festival where 99% of people are on site all the time.

Just looking at a map now. Jesus, there's a Pantene tent, a Calvin Klein tent, Google Pixel tent, Amazon.com lockers, NYX cosmetics tent. It seems very corporate, which is odd because the prices for tickets and camping is massively high for what's on offer. What's the point in having all these companies coming in if they're not keeping the prices down?

But then we're blessed with a hell of a lotta good festivals in UK and Europe at relatively low prices. People wouldn't tolerate such blatant extortion so readily over here.

For only basic camping and the ticket, it comes out at about 570 quid, which is insane if that's all the "activities" you get (and half of them are corporate) and you still have to pay 20 dollars for a beer.

The best analogy I can think of is fitting all of Glasto's top 7 stages into Reading festival, keeping the vibe of Glasto, but all the corporate stuff from Reading and V-Fest.

 

Edited April 6, 2023 by MEGATRONICMEATWAGON

[Butterz]

I will say that in general the Glasto crowd is more lively than crowds at American fests.  This is one of the reasons we make the trip to Glasto.  I haven't been to Coachella yet but I hope to one day and I'm sure it will be fun even if the crowd isn't setting off flares during the big songs.

[Suprefan]

7 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Feel like you've taken their opinion quite personally. I'm sure there were crowds that were alive that they weren't apart of, but they did go to the main headliner and witness a dead crowd, so it's not like they're liars. I'm sure they saw more bands than just three per day as well.

But it's all anecdotal isn't it. A game of opinions. You think it's amazing, the TPD TV lads were quite pleased with it in general.

I don't think the activites link really sells Coachella like you think it does. Amex Experiences, Heineken Tent, Neutrogena Experiences. Sounds like a corporate get-together to hawk products to rich people. I guess there's a ferris wheel and a silent disco, equivalent to one quarter of the Park.

How big is it? Because with all the "activities" on that link it sounds about the size of the Park and the shopping area around William's Green in total.

Plus a lot of people stay off site in AirBnbs, making it more or less a day festival, not a proper festival where 99% of people are on site all the time.

Just looking at a map now. Jesus, there's a Pantene tent, a Calvin Klein tent, Google Pixel tent, Amazon.com lockers, NYX cosmetics tent. It seems very corporate, which is odd because the prices for tickets and camping is massively high for what's on offer. What's the point in having all these companies coming in if they're not keeping the prices down?

But then we're blessed with a hell of a lotta good festivals in UK and Europe at relatively low prices. People wouldn't tolerate such blatant extortion so readily over here.

For only basic camping and the ticket, it comes out at about 570 quid, which is insane if that's all the "activities" you get (and half of them are corporate) and you still have to pay 20 dollars for a beer.

The best analogy I can think of is fitting all of Glasto's top 7 stages into Reading festival, keeping the vibe of Glasto, but all the corporate stuff from Reading and V-Fest.

 

Its all in the camp grounds which is sizeable. But if you want to consider the entirety of the grounds and fest itself small then you go and think that. None of the stages have sponsorship names like other american festivals do which is how their prices stay down. The festival is seen as a total snooze yet theres plenty to do. Also there apparently seems to be a requirement that you need a bar at every corner and somebody doing magic tricks in your gave to keep you busy or you feel that it isnt an "experience". What happened to just needing the music at the festival. Isnt that the whole point? Again, seen as a snooze because just standing around watching bands or dj's isnt what a festival is supposed to be for some reason. Why does the festival have to be an entire city.
 

Those companies pay ungodly amounts of money to have a presence there and thats it. Lets not forget the parties offsite which are also heavily sponsored. Or even the influencer one which asks for $2000 just to get into the door. About 40% of the crowd camps so say 50,000 people. Thats not enough people on site?

 

When it comes to financials maybe the part that doesnt make sense is that Coachella actually pays artists? Glasto would cost just as much if they gave Elton, Axl and Alex their full fee. Bad Bunny is apparently getting $10 million. Blackpink and Frank might be getting $8 mil which has been the most any headliner has gotten in the last few years. Then account for the rest of the talent. Add in high end production values, a multimillion dollar art budget,  all the other logistics and things start to cost. Glasto's ticket cost went up because they need the money to keep functioning. Its money well spent but youll just have to see for yourself. The festival has an almost billion dollar impact on the economy for the region, but apparently thats not a good thing. Maybe when they get the first Oasis gig back there will be a contingent that comes over. 
 

and this year does seem to have been the year to come since nobody is going to melt. Might not even crack 30 all next weekend. Damn miracle.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

2 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Its all in the camp grounds which is sizeable. But if you want to consider the entirety of the grounds and fest itself small then you go and think that. None of the stages have sponsorship names like other american festivals do which is how their prices stay down. The festival is seen as a total snooze yet theres plenty to do. Also there apparently seems to be a requirement that you need a bar at every corner and somebody doing magic tricks in your gave to keep you busy or you feel that it isnt an "experience". What happened to just needing the music at the festival. Isnt that the whole point? Again, seen as a snooze because just standing around watching bands or dj's isnt what a festival is supposed to be for some reason. Why does the festival have to be an entire city.
 

Those companies pay ungodly amounts of money to have a presence there and thats it. Lets not forget the parties offsite which are also heavily sponsored. Or even the influencer one which asks for $2000 just to get into the door. About 40% of the crowd camps so say 50,000 people. Thats not enough people on site?

 

When it comes to financials maybe the part that doesnt make sense is that Coachella actually pays artists? Glasto would cost just as much if they gave Elton, Axl and Alex their full fee. Bad Bunny is apparently getting $10 million. Blackpink and Frank might be getting $8 mil which has been the most any headliner has gotten in the last few years. Then account for the rest of the talent. Add in high end production values, a multimillion dollar art budget,  all the other logistics and things start to cost. Glasto's ticket cost went up because they need the money to keep functioning. Its money well spent but youll just have to see for yourself. The festival has an almost billion dollar impact on the economy for the region, but apparently thats not a good thing. Maybe when they get the first Oasis gig back there will be a contingent that comes over. 
 

and this year does seem to have been the year to come since nobody is going to melt. Might not even crack 30 all next weekend. Damn miracle.

Historically Glasto has supported as many art forms as possible and used to be called Glasto Festival and Performing Arts, and in my opinion there's a huge difference between being in one giant immersive theatre studio in the Circus and Theatre fields where weird and wonderful things are happening, to Coachella and the corporate experience packages/benefits of a Neutrogena stand or an Amex Experience, whatever the heck that is. This throne is cool but it's totally ruined by the Google branding.

It's completely true that if Glasto were to pay artists full fees the ticket would be more but I don't think there'd be more brands everywhere. I think that's just Coachella making money. Glasto could invite Amazon, Google, Nike, Adidas etc in and make a shit tonne but they've made a conscious decision not to do that. But that's another difference. The financial philosophy at Co. is clearly capitalism at any cost (albeit it's well spent on a cracking line up and a clean and well oiled machine). At Glastonbury it is aimed at charity, the full cost of the headliners offset by the free publicity on the BBC - which you'd have to agree must have a cultural effect on the festival itself, the environment, and how it's run?

And I'm all for regional boosts to the economy, and Glasto tries to source products and services from the surrounding area. But that's something Glasto aims to do. Does Coachella aim to do the same or is the boost to the regional economy just a secondary benefit that Co. takes place there? Glasto also has a wider economic impact but I don't know if that's ever been calculated, altho I doubt it'd be a billion dollars.

I'd personally love to visit one year just to see what it's like and I'm sure it I'd enjoy it, but I'm sure that enjoyment would be a different kettle of fish to the enjoyment I have at Glastonbury.

There's clearly differences, not with the line up which always looks awesome, but culturally.

Edited April 7, 2023 by MEGATRONICMEATWAGON

[stuie]

Coachella pays the fees it has to, to attract the artists… not because they are nice and want to give away $10m. If they could attract artists for a fraction of their fee, they would. Just like Glasto. 

I’m not sure what’s so great about influencer parties with a $2K entry fee or companies paying an ungodly amount to be there - these sound like negs to me not positive points at all.

[sime]

Glastonbury Festival will always be my first festival choice but maybe one day I might try Coachella. Although when I watch the live YouTube streams of it, I never feel much of an urge to go. 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Coachella pays the fees it has to, to attract the artists… not because they are nice and want to give away $10m. If they could attract artists for a fraction of their fee, they would. Just like Glasto. 

I’m not sure what’s so great about influencer parties with a $2K entry fee or companies paying an ungodly amount to be there - these sound like negs to me not positive points at all.

2k for an influencer party, I just don't get the concept. Paying money to someone who dances and wears nice clothes on an app. 

Massive negative for me too.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

6 minutes ago, sime said:

Glastonbury Festival will always be my first festival choice but maybe one day I might try Coachella. Although when I watch the live YouTube streams of it, I never feel much of an urge to go. 

I've never given the streams a watch but I will do this year. Not seen many videos of Co. that make me really really want to go. At the moment I'd go out of curiosity more than anything.

[TheDayman]

Living in Ireland, I grew up watching Glastonbury every summer on the BBC. It became a yearly ritual for me and my friends.

When we finally got across years later, it lived up to everything we expected and more.

Watching Coachella from afar, I've never really felt the same appeal. Glastonbury has personality and depth, Coachella to me feels rather souless and over commercialised.

[gfa]

20 hours ago, Suprefan said:

also theres plenty to do in camping and late night. 

 

https://www.coachella.com/activities

 

 

So theres a stage hosted by foreigner and a silent disco with a bunch of no-name djs lol

[Olshansky]

15 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

It's completely true that if Glasto were to pay artists full fees the ticket would be more but I don't think there'd be more brands everywhere. I think that's just Coachella making money. Glasto could invite Amazon, Google, Nike, Adidas etc in and make a shit tonne but they've made a conscious decision not to do that. But that's another difference. The financial philosophy at Co. is clearly capitalism at any cost (albeit it's well spent on a cracking line up and a clean and well oiled machine). At Glastonbury it is aimed at charity, the full cost of the headliners offset by the free publicity on the BBC - which you'd have to agree must have a cultural effect on the festival itself, the environment, and how it's run?

 

Couldn't agree more with this.  

 

14 hours ago, TheDayman said:

Watching Coachella from afar, I've never really felt the same appeal. Glastonbury has personality and depth, Coachella to me feels rather souless and over commercialised.

This too.  
I've sounded off before on these boards about not being a fan of Coachella.  it'd take something really special on the lineup to get me to go again, and even then, I don't think I'd camp a second time.  

[CaledonianGonzo]

Love to defend Coachella by reeling off a long list of things that sound objectively terrible.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

You have to buy a Google Pixel 7, sign-up for Amazon Prime, and give a pound of flesh just for a toilet pass.

It's fucking mad wicked.

[philipsteak]

5 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

You have to buy a Google Pixel 7, sign-up for Amazon Prime, and give a pound of flesh just for a toilet pass.

It's fucking mad wicked.

But if you don't do all that then Bad Bunny won't get paid twelvety billion dollars. Is that what you want? IS IT?

[gfa]

@Suprefan any word on who that 1999.odds act is? looked at the coachella reddit just now and seems to be no real answer still

[Superscally]

My mate (from the UK) went every year from 2008 to 2012 then stopped going "because it went shit". 

That's PROOF. 

[TheDayman]

There’s often Glasto goers who travel from this side of the globe to try Coachella but do we ever get the Coachella people coming this side for Glastonbury?

I suspect those who do get a big surprise when they find out they can watch their favourite artist AND have a beer at the same time. A wild concept.🤯