LIONEL RICHIE

[Ted Dansons Wig]

Non threatening, short white male pop star in the 80s. Perfect timing.

Phil gets a rough time. Great drummer, bit of a twat at times but fairly harmless and pretty normal.

Fairly harmless. I can think of no greater insult. How about that for a tombstone.

Here lies Phil Collins. Fairly Harmless.

Not that I wish the little gonk any personal harm mind.

Too much of a Tory twat for my stomach tho.

[Big Vern]

ha ha this racist dolt thinking popularity equates to quality. What a buffoon.

I see you've not grown up and have broken your vow not to respond to my posts. If you've nothing constructive or intelligent to add, please don't respond to my posts. Thank you.

[russycarps]

I see you've not grown up and have broken your vow not to respond to my posts. If you've nothing constructive or intelligent to add, please don't respond to my posts. Thank you.

glad to see you now accept your racist moniker

[Big Vern]

The trouble is some of you have your head buried so far up your own arses with your deluded music purist stance , you really cannot see how much of a twat you come across as and simply labelling something as "shit" is just ridiculous, when millions of record sales or millions of viewers shows otherwise. It may be brainless, predictable, by the numbers pop music, which may not be your thang, given your clearly higher social standing than us mere minions, however it meets a demand for the masses at a certain point in time, sometimes that demand continues for a very long time. It's not shit, it's just not your taste.

[Big Vern]

glad to see you now accept your racist moniker

I cannot be bothered carrying on a petty pointless argument with a bitter, twisted dinosaur. Now move on.

[mr gumby]

I cannot be bothered carrying on a petty pointless argument with a bitter, twisted dinosaur. Now move on.

Sorry Vern, I just accidentally down voted this comment. I've gone back and up voted your previous two to make up for it.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Non threatening, short white male pop star in the 80s. Perfect timing.

Phil gets a rough time. Great drummer, bit of a twat at times but fairly harmless and pretty normal.

That's Nonce sense

[LondonTom]

The trouble is some of you have your head buried so far up your own arses with your deluded music purist stance , you really cannot see how much of a twat you come across as and simply labelling something as "shit" is just ridiculous, when millions of record sales or millions of viewers shows otherwise. It may be brainless, predictable, by the numbers pop music, which may not be your thang, given your clearly higher social standing than us mere minions, however it meets a demand for the masses at a certain point in time, sometimes that demand continues for a very long time. It's not shit, it's just not your taste.

Why are you so bothered if someone thinks Madonna is shit ? If someone thinks an act is shit, then they are shit to them. No amount of "but they sold MILLIONS of Records" isn't going to change that. The only fact is they sold millions of records, them being shit or not is still subjective even if you trying to turn them not being shit into a fact.

[The Nal]

You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. I

I think Big Vern said that......

Oh go on then....

Godwins Law

Edited December 3, 2014 by The Nal

[russycarps]

most good music doesnt sell millions of records because the general public are stupid.

Obviously there are rare exceptions, but this generally holds true.

If something is popular with the idiots we share the planet with, then it is usually safe to brand it shit even if you havent listened to it/watched it/read it.

See, the music of mumford and sons/X factor/twilight films/the da vinci code for further details.

Edited December 3, 2014 by russycarps

[stuartbert two hats]

My point is that being shit or not is a matter of opinion. However, if somebody has sold 100m + albums, they cannot be "that" shit can they?

Yes.

Edit: Fixed your punctuation.

Edited December 3, 2014 by stuartbert two hats

[The Nal]

"Shit" artists with over 100m album sales

Tina Turner

Olivia Newton John

Cher

Def Leppard

Bryan Adams

Chicago

Backstreet Boys

Bon Jovi

Rod Stewart

Britney Spears

Taylor Swift

Neil Diamond

Barbra Streisand

Phil Collins

Billy Joel

Rihanna

Garth Brooks

Eagles

Eminem

Celine Dion

[Big Vern]

Why are you so bothered if someone thinks Madonna is shit ? If someone thinks an act is shit, then they are shit to them. No amount of "but they sold MILLIONS of Records" isn't going to change that. The only fact is they sold millions of records, them being shit or not is still subjective even if you trying to turn them not being shit into a fact.

I'm not speaking about Madonna, I was referring to comments about Lionel Richie, but my sentiment could be applied to her also. I just find this whole dismissive "they're shit" attitude winds me up a treat and a "true" music lover, likes whatever they like, fuck the genre, the person, their style or politics. A true music lover, which some people on here purport to be, wouldn't be so single minded in that they can only listen to music they can sniff their own farts to.

There's plenty of genres and artists that I like only one or two of their songs and the rest does absolutely nothing for me, but I'm not going to label them "shit" as I appreciate that what they do produce has it's place and millions of others do like it, it's just not for me.

Each to their own dude, but if people are going to come out and be so dismissive I will equally retort.

[Big Vern]

Yes.

Edit: Fixed your punctuation.

Well done on your childish attempt to make me feel stupid, what a man you are.

[russycarps]

which is as ridiculous a statement as any

Is it?

Is the x factor shit? Do you watch it?

are the twilight books shit? Have you read them?

Is rhiannas latest album shit? Have you heard it?

Statistics allow you to make informed opinions to a very high degree of probability that you are right.

[Bisque]

[russycarps]

to avoid something because it's popular is just daft

I said there are always a handful of exceptions. But generally the theory is water tight.

I havent seen the hunger games, but I know to 99% certainty it's shite.

[Big Vern]

With 1472 reputation points, that makes you one of the most popular posters on this forum, therefore you are shit.

[stuartbert two hats]

Well done on your childish attempt to make me feel stupid, what a man you are.

Thanks

[Purple aki squat]

to avoid something because it's popular is just daft

Got to disagree with that.

On the whole he's right, Black Friday for example and U2. Makes you question humanity.

[whisty]

"They're good" "no they're shit"

Edited December 3, 2014 by whisty

[michael eavis' beard]

Celine Dion. 200 million albums.

Think about that for a minute. 200 million people have picked up one of her records in a shop, queued up and paid their hard earned money for it.

A lot of them went to the shop with the express purpose of buying the album.

She's released something like 50 albums though hasn't she? It could just be 4 million people buying everything she's ever done.

[Ted Dansons Wig]

She's released something like 50 albums though hasn't she? It could just be 4 million people buying everything she's ever done.

Or her loaded husband has a very big garage

[Mardy]

I said there are always a handful of exceptions. But generally the theory is water tight.

I havent seen the hunger games, but I know to 99% certainty it's shite.

I tell you what, give the second one a go, pretty astute, subversive criticism of the capitalist system. Surprisingly.

[mrtourette]

All a matter of taste, but my point being if they were so "crap" they wouldn't be so successful would they?

Yes, it's entirely possible. Success is no guarantee of quality, much as a lack of success is no guarantee of a lack of quality. And if your next question is along the lines of 'well if someone is good then why wouldn't they be successful?' then you probably need to use your imagination.

Help me get your point, if he is so shit why has he been so successful?

Because it's tame, unchallenging, easily-digestible well-publicised fodder for people with little imagination. Actually it looks like you've answered your own question:

It may be brainless, predictable, by the numbers pop music, which may not be your thang, given your clearly higher social standing than us mere minions, however it meets a demand for the masses at a certain point in time

My point is that being shit or not is a matter of opinion.

Very true, but having an opinion does not instantly make you intolerant or dismissive.

However, if somebody has sold 100m + albums, they cannot be "that" shit can they.

Yes they can.

You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. If he was that shit he would have been found out long before now.

He has. I'll take a punt that his record sales have been declining over the years.

The trouble is some of you have your head buried so far up your own arses with your deluded music purist stance , you really cannot see how much of a twat you come across as and simply labelling something as "shit" is just ridiculous, when millions of record sales or millions of viewers shows otherwise.

Millions of record sales do not show otherwise, and what's wrong with having an opinion that something is shit?

I'm not speaking about Madonna, I was referring to comments about Lionel Richie, but my sentiment could be applied to her also. I just find this whole dismissive "they're shit" attitude winds me up a treat and a "true" music lover, likes whatever they like, fuck the genre, the person, their style or politics. A true music lover, which some people on here purport to be, wouldn't be so single minded in that they can only listen to music they can sniff their own farts to.

There's plenty of genres and artists that I like only one or two of their songs and the rest does absolutely nothing for me, but I'm not going to label them "shit" as I appreciate that what they do produce has it's place and millions of others do like it, it's just not for me.

Each to their own dude, but if people are going to come out and be so dismissive I will equally retort.

Why can't you accept that some people think that Lionel Ritchie is shit? Isn't it possible to have a genuinely negative opinion of his music, or does everyone who dislikes his stuff only have that opinion because they're too busy smelling their own farts (whatever that means)?

Edited December 3, 2014 by mrtourette